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May 15, 2011 21:56
13 yrs ago
English term
for
English
Social Sciences
Media / Multimedia
I know that 'for' is often used as 'because' as in the sentence: I was tired after my journey, for I had been forced to bike 20 miles.I thought it was the same in this extract but it just doesn't make sense to me:
"As Hill suggests, with such lifestyle programming we see the ways in which ethical and moral judgements can never be about abstract reason and rational thinking alone. They are also about feelings and emotions, for emphasis on the rational and cognitive aspects of the public sphere, knowledge and communication cempletely deny the visceral and afective intensities that inform, underpin and circulate about thinking and reason."
If I get it right ethical and moral judgements can't be based only on reason and rational thinking, feelings and emotions aso play a part. Instead of 'but' I would use 'and' - perhaps there is something I don't understand...
"As Hill suggests, with such lifestyle programming we see the ways in which ethical and moral judgements can never be about abstract reason and rational thinking alone. They are also about feelings and emotions, for emphasis on the rational and cognitive aspects of the public sphere, knowledge and communication cempletely deny the visceral and afective intensities that inform, underpin and circulate about thinking and reason."
If I get it right ethical and moral judgements can't be based only on reason and rational thinking, feelings and emotions aso play a part. Instead of 'but' I would use 'and' - perhaps there is something I don't understand...
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| 4 +11 | it means "because" here too |
Jack Doughty
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| 4 +3 | since |
Jennifer Levey
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Jack Doughty
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
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English
United Kingdom
Translator since 1953
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, German to English, English
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it means "because" here too
It is correctly used in this meaning here. If you replace it with "because" it makes perfect sense.
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MedTrans&More
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Lara Barnett
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Jana Cole
: challenging sentence structure
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Stephanie Ezrol
: (because) emphasis on .... the .. aspects ... deny. That's the basic structure as I see it.
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Liz Dexter (was Broomfield)
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Amanda Jane Lowles
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Tony M
: Yes, though as Stéphanie's analysis has highlighted, 'emphasis' requires a singular verb, though 'deny' is plural.
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Thank you. Yes, Stéphanie is right.
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B D Finch
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Phong Le
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axies
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eski
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Jennifer Levey
Chile
Chile
Native in English
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English
Specializes in field
Chile
Human-scale Globalization
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
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since
Having read and re-read the sentence half-a-dozen times, I suggest 'for' means 'since' - in the sense of 'inasmuch as'.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/since
Life's too short to explain the subtle difference between 'because' and 'since' - those who are familiar with the subtleties of French might like to consider the difference between 'parceque' (because) and 'puisque' (since).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/since
Life's too short to explain the subtle difference between 'because' and 'since' - those who are familiar with the subtleties of French might like to consider the difference between 'parceque' (because) and 'puisque' (since).
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Tony M
: I agree that this would read more easily as a 'drop-in' replacement here; I think the incorrect plural verb 'deny' probably causes the greatest jolt when reading
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Tina Vonhof (X)
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axies
: All three are correct for the fact that ''for'' here means ''for the fact that...''
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Please don't 'agree' and then make a statement which suggests my answer is no different to the other options. For a true native English-speaker, 'because' and 'since' are not entirely equivalent, although both can be rendered as 'for'.
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Discussion
You have suggested (under Jack's answer) that the sentence structure is 'challenging'. That may be true (at least to non-natives...) but simplifying the structure and, through the baby/bathwater effect, eliminating the (relatively) clear interdependence of cause and effect merely obfuscates the author's message to the point of ... obscurity.
They are also about feelings and emotions, for emphasis on the rational and cognitive aspects ... deny the visceral and afective intensities that ... circulate about thinking and reason."