Tony M Feb 21, 2012:

Oh dear me, no! e.g. trappe de visite = inspection hatch / cover / panel, etc. (depending on the exact form it takes)

B D Finch Feb 21, 2012:

Yes As Tony says, it is about the desired effect, not the stuff you use to achieve it. However also watch out for "trappes de visite", should not be translated as "manholes".

Nancie Leduc Feb 21, 2012:

@Tony thank you very much!
I had in fact misread the text. I read ''will be ensured'' instead of ''will ensure''.
Once again thank you!

Tony M Feb 20, 2012:

@ Nancie It's very important to analyse the source text carefully:

"...assurera un coupe-feu de traversée équivalent au degré coupe-feu des planchers traversés"

this means that x must provide a degree of 'coupe-feu' for the 'traversée' equivalent to... etc.

So this is not talking about providing a physical device (as you seem to be reading it); but rather, the stated physical devices must provide a certain protection quality.

Hence why even the properly-written of your references are actually referring to the physical device, and hence are not directly applicable here.

Nancie Leduc Feb 20, 2012:

@tony & @ barbara I am trying to understand your comments because the text is describing fire protection for manholes/floors... I am wondering if you are then talking about a fire protection lining/sleeve since ducts are also mentioned in the text?
http://www.promat.co.uk/products/fire-protection/promaseal.a...

Tony M Feb 20, 2012:

@ Barbara Thanks, I quite agree with your observations about the EDF ref, which I'm afraid has to be dismissed at once.

However, I was in fact referring to the ref. Nancie quoted in her response to your peer comment; this is from the US, but like I said, is actually referring in a different way to something else.

B D Finch Feb 20, 2012:

@Tony I wanted to comment on your note to Nancie "that reference you give is talking about something subtly different". Actually I think it is not about something different (even subtly), the problem is that the EDF text is mistranslated. It does actually address fire stopping, but the translation is very poor, e.g.
"Coupe-feu de traversées Obturation pleine masse
(Penetration Fire Barriers - Full Mass Stop)"

Which should be: Total/full-volume fire stopping of penetrations.
If you read on, the meaning is quite clear:
"La présente specification s'applique aux procédés utilises pour l'obturation des traversées de cables électriques ou de certains conduits au travers des différentes parois coupe-feu des batiments ... Elle a pour objet de donner les principales regles constructives qu'il y a lieu de respecter dans la realisation des obturations coupe-feu.
(This specification applies to processes used for stopping penetrations of electrical cables or certain conduits through fire resistant barriers of buildings ... It is intended to give the main construction rules which have to be complied with when making fire stops)."

pooja_chic Feb 20, 2012:

Nancie, you did not check my answer, I have provided it in my answer with link