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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

la propuesta fundada de medidas

English translation:

petition, justified in substance, for subsequent arrangements

Added to glossary by Kristina Love
Jul 16, 2021 18:31
2 yrs ago
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Spanish term

la propuesta fundada de medidas

Spanish to English Law/Patents Law (general) Divorce decree
This is taken from a DECRETO DE DIVORCIO DE MUTUO ACUERDO:
"De lo anterior se deduce que, para decretar el divorcio, basta con acreditar que han transcurrido tres meses desde la celebración del matrimonio y aportar el convenio regulador si lo piden consensuadamente los cónyuges o **la propuesta fundada de medidas**, si lo pide uno solo de ellos."
Proposed translations (English)
3 a substantially justified motion for provisional arrangements
3 +1 reasonable offer of financial - or other ancillary - relief, E+W
3 -1 the substantiated proposal for measures
Change log

Jul 19, 2021 12:59: Kristina Love Created KOG entry

Discussion

Kristina Love Jul 17, 2021:
I changed my mind and decided to answer. I had some more ideas.
Kristina Love Jul 16, 2021:
The upshot of it is, if only one spouse petitions for divorce, the divorce petition must be accompanied by a well-founded (or reasonable) proposal (or offer) of provisional measures that will determine the division of marital assets and other contested issues (child support, child custody, alimony, etc.) I think of this more as a suggestion for how things should be divided rather than an offer of compensation (ancillary relief), but that might be splitting hairs.

After the spouse who petitioned for divorce provides that proposal, the other spouse either agrees or appeals that by making a counter-offer (these probably aren't the proper terms, but you get the idea.)
Kristina Love Jul 16, 2021:
2.º A petición de uno solo de los cónyuges, una vez transcurridos tres meses desde la celebración del matrimonio. No será preciso el transcurso de este plazo para la interposición de la demanda cuando se acredite la existencia de un riesgo para la vida, la integridad física, la libertad, la integridad moral o libertad e indemnidad sexual del cónyuge demandante o de los hijos de ambos o de cualquiera de los miembros del matrimonio.

A la demanda se acompañará propuesta fundada de las medidas que hayan de regular los efectos derivados de la separación. https://www.conceptosjuridicos.com/codigo-civil-articulo-81/
Kristina Love Jul 16, 2021:
I researched this one quite a lot, but I won't submit an Answer because I can't come up with anything significantly different from the two answers already submitted.

The country in question was not mentioned, but I guessed it was Spain as the Asker is in Spain and this turned out to be right. I searched for explanations of contested and uncontested divorce in Spain, in both Spanish and English.

Here are a few relevant passages:
A la demanda se acompañará propuesta fundada de las medidas que hayan de regular los efectos derivados del divorcio, con al menos el mismo contenido que el convenio regulador. https://cantoabogados.es/divorcio-mutuo-acuerdo-contencioso-...

In this case the divorce petition is filed by only one of the parties to the marriage, sometimes known as a contentious divorce, and the court procedure is long and somewhat complex. If the parties fail to agree on the governing convention, it may require negotiation and communication between lawyers and the production of third party evidence. https://www.expatica.com/es/living/love/divorce-in-spain-102...

(to be continued next post)

Proposed translations

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Selected

a substantially justified motion for provisional arrangements

I think that "la propuesta fundada de medidas" is an established legal expression in Spain for which there is not a direct equivalent in English. It contains implicit information (such as what these measures or "medidas" are regarding). I think that it needs to be spelled out in the translation, even if it's a little cumbersome. For example: "a substantially justified motion to determine arrangements for child custody, division of assets, and alimony." I think the indeterminate article "a" should be used rather than "the" because in English this is not an established legal term. The English translation will be an unpacking of its meaning rather than some handy well-known equivalent. In Spain "la propuesta fundada de medidas" is to a contested divorce as the "convenio regulador" (governing convention, or what we would call a divorce settlement agreement) is to an uncontested divorce. In English such a proposal or request regarding how everything gets divvied up is just considered part of the divorce petition itself, rather than an add-on.

I chose the word "motion" because it is the translation of "propuesta" that best suits the situation: "A motion, in its simplest form is a list of requests that you are asking the Court grant on your behalf. You, or your attorney on your behalf, will file a Notice of Motion which includes a list of requests for the court to rule upon."
https://www.shaneandwhite.com/faq/when-you-need-the-judge-to...

From that, "substantially justiified motion" is a well-established collocation.

I suggest "arrangements" as a translation of measures. Two phrases that I saw a lot of while researching were "provisional measures" and "arrangements," always shoe-horned together, and it seems a waste of words. According to wordreference.com, some synonyms for "arrangements" include: "plans, preparations, preparatory measures, provisions, accommodations, more..." Well, that's perfect. That's exactly what we're talking about: arrangements.
Reference:

http://www.shaneandwhite.com/faq/when-you-need-the-judge-to-decide-an-issue-file-a-motion/

Peer comment(s):
neutral Adrian MM. : Nice arrangements idea, but would there be a motion if it is a consent decree, namely divorce by consent.... Feel free to 'neutralize' my answer, though 'ancillary' does not mean compensation in UK family law, rather property div., p/alimony + children.
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The item being translated is a divorce by consent decree, but the phrase that needs translating relates to the situation of only one spouse filing for divorce. "Motion" could be changed to "petition." I agree that "ancillary relief" should be in there.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Lots of good research. Many thanks. Very useful. In the end my version of the sentence was: "...petition, justified in substance, for subsequent arrangements," Inspired by your contributions. Thanks again "
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reasonable offer of financial - or other ancillary - relief, E+W

Query if includes arrangements for any children of the union, property - goods and land - division and maintenance payments.

Possibly financial relief would be likelier in AmE or CanE.

'In English law, an application for financial relief following the presentation of a petition for divorce, nullity or judicial separation used to be described as ancillary relief. The term arose because the financial application was 'ancillary' to the petition. However, the term was discarded by the Family Procedure Rules 2010 which substituted it with the term "application for a financial order". '
Reference:

http://www.proz.com/personal-glossaries/entry/5033804-medidas-relief

http://www.proz.com/personal-glossaries/entry/22911212-ancillary-relief-reglas-o-medidas-de-car%3Fcter-econ%3Fmico

Peer comment(s):
agree AllegroTrans : Yes but I do wish you would make glossary-compliant suggestions (i.e. ommitting additions such as E&W)
22 hrs
Thank, Chris. The problem is that the 'Battle of Largs' asker is UK to which 'ancillary relief' is specific as opposed, say, to a one-size-fits-all 'reasonable arrangements offer'. Again, propuesta is no 'court motion' cf. Scots law action vs. petition.
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the substantiated proposal for measures

The substantiated proposal for measures includes the reasons for the request for an action, in the case above, a divorce.
Information is provided from a divorce decree or ordinance by mutual consent.
"From the previously mentioned facts, to proceed with a divorce order or decree, it's sufficient to note that three months had passed since the day of marriage, before making a settlement agreement, if the married partners request, by mutual consent, or the substantiated proposal for measures, if only one of the married partners makes the request."

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Note added at 3 hrs (2021-07-16 21:32:40 GMT)
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SP: La propuesta fundada de las medidas comprende las razones por la solicitud de intervención, que en este caso es un divorcio. La información es de un decreto o una ordenanza formal de divorcio por consentimiento mutuo.
'De los hechos mencionados previamente, para proceder con una ordenanza o un decreto de divorcio, basta con señalar que habían pasado tres meses desde el día de matrimonio, antes de un acuerdo de conciliación, si los cónyugues solicitan, por consentimiento mutuo, o la propusta fundada de las medidas, si solamente uno de los cónyugues realiza una petición.'

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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs (2021-07-17 22:39:33 GMT)
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As it was already explained, the reasons for the request for an action or intervention are the substantiated proposal for measures.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/measures
"A measure is a law or a ballot initiative adopted by a legislature as a remedy for a problem."

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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs (2021-07-18 06:43:06 GMT)
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(SP: Una medida es una ley o una iniciativa adoptada o empleada por una legislatura como un remedio para resolver un problema.)

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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs (2021-07-18 06:56:17 GMT)
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"Medidas cautelares que se adoptan para preservar el bien litigioso u para prevenir en favor del actor la eficacia final de la sentencia. Se utilizan también en el procedimiento administrativo.
Medidas complementarias de seguridad o sustituivas de las penas, que, con fines preventitivos, puede imponer el juez a personas inimputables que hayan exteriorizado su peligrosidad criminal o de los que puede temerse que vuelvan a delinquir."
(En el contexto de un divorcio, las medidas adoptadas pueden servir para proteger a los individuos implicados.)
https://dle.rae.es/medida?m=form
(In the context of a divorce, precautionary measures can be adopted as can complementary security measures as protection between the individuals involved.)
Peer comment(s):
disagree AllegroTrans : Machine translation produces dodgy English nearly every time and anyway "measures" is not the term used by the Courts. It is unbelievable that you carry on posting in this way.
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