Jennifer Levey Dec 9, 2021:

Paraphrasing In the search for l’idée, it doesn’t help when we have a non-grammatical phrase to translate. ‘Black women’ is a noun. ‘Femme’ and ‘non-binary’ are both adjectives (qualifying ‘voices’). The phrase is poorly written and that can only increase the likelihood of offering an inappropriate translation.

So, how can the phrase be accurately paraphrased, as a first step to finding a fair and non-discriminatory translation?

- Platform for the voices of women who are black, femme & non-binary.
or
- Platform for Black women and for the voices of femme & non-binary people.
or
- (your suggestions here...)

And while we’re at it, should ‘&’ be read as ‘and’ or as ‘and/or’?

Jennifer Levey Dec 9, 2021:

@Geneviève Thank you. That is the context we needed. And the key words in their definition are 'inclusive' and 'and other identities'. IOW, it includes, for example, transgender women. Consequently, any suggestion that 'fem' is seen only as the counter-point to 'butch' is inappropriate (at least in this context.)

Geneviève Gauvreau (asker) Dec 9, 2021:

Voici la définition de l'auteur (organisme d'aide Femmes is an inclusive term used in the LGBTQ2S+ community to refer to people who identify as various genders (non-binary, gender non-conforming) and other identities.
Femmes also refers to social location and experiences outside of gender.

Jennifer Levey Dec 9, 2021:

@Samuel As a general point, I agree with you about labels. But once the author has decided to use labels, a satisfactory way needs to be found to represent l’idée behind those labels in the target language. But what, precisely, is l’idée here?
Some contributors here are interpreting it to refer exclusively to lesbian women who project their femininity (contrasted with ‘butch’ lesbians). Your own suggested translation … celles qui se sentent femmes ... is compatible with that interpretation, but would also include transgender women, for example. That might be very far from the author's intention. Hence the need for more context.

Samuel Clarisse Dec 9, 2021:

Évitons de mélanger les genres (il y en a plus de 60) et de coller des étiquettes au risque de se mettre à dos et d'en écarter certains.
C'est un sujet assez délicat, le tout étant de retranscrire l'idée tout en restant général.

Stéphanie Bellumat Dec 9, 2021:

Butch-Fem https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch-fem

Geneviève Gauvreau (asker) Dec 9, 2021:

réponse à Samuël Merci, les articles sont très intéressants. Il me reste à vérifier si au Canada francais, on utilise aussi le mot Fem dans ces contextes.

Geneviève Gauvreau (asker) Dec 9, 2021:

answer to Jennifer It is about "creating wellness spaces for Black women and femmes". Publié par un organisme d'aide pour les jeunes de toutes identités.

Jennifer Levey Dec 9, 2021:

@Asker It will be almost impossible to suggest a fair and non-discriminatory translation of "a platform for Black women, femme & non-binary voices" without seeing how that long phrase is being used in the ST. IOW, please give us some meaningful context. Also, we need to know something about the source of that ST, and the author's overall stance/attitude in relation to LGBTQ2S+ issues.

Samuël Buysschaert Dec 9, 2021:

"Femme" semble être "traduit" en France par "fem", pour certainement le différencier du mot "femme" (/homme)

""Femme" (à lire et comprendre ici "Fem", une identité sociale et sexuelle, et non l'opposé du mot homme)"
"fem est un terme qui peut sembler aussi inhérent à l'identité d'une personne que lesbienne, bisexuelle ou genderqueer."
https://www.refinery29.com/fr-fr/histoire-fem-lesbienne-lgbt...
Refinery29

https://www.foleffet.com/C-EST-QUOI-UNE-FEM