Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
a recipe for national impotence
Chinese translation:
这是国力不济的权宜之计
Added to glossary by
Mark Xiang
Sep 6, 2004 06:49
19 yrs ago
English term
"rephrased and extended to cover objection to specific immoral wars"
English to Chinese
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
For a final law class, he even prepared a radical paper arguing that the principle of conscientious objection to war in general should be rephrased and extended to cover objection to specific immoral wars---a recipe for national impotence, he knew intellectually, yet an expression of his own intellectual conflict as he faced the prospect of military induction and the dashing of his hopes of going to Oxford.
"should be rephrased and extended to cover objection to specific immoral wars---a recipe for national impotence, he knew intellectually, yet..."
这部分怎么衔接顺畅？谢谢
"should be rephrased and extended to cover objection to specific immoral wars---a recipe for national impotence, he knew intellectually, yet..."
这部分怎么衔接顺畅？谢谢
Proposed translations
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| 4 | TRY |
Mark Xiang
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| 4 | 应该改写、扩叙，以补述关于反对一些特定的不道德战争的原则 |
Ritchest
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| 4 | 可以这样诠释吗？ |
Shaun Yeo
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| 3 | FYI a recipe for something |
chica nueva
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Proposed translations
47 mins
Mark Xiang
Native in Chinese
20 YRS AS MECHANICAL/TECHNICAL ENGINEER!
Native in: Chinese 
Works in: English to Chinese, Chinese to English
Related KudoZ points
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Selected
TRY
"should be rephrased and extended to cover objection to specific immoral wars---a recipe for national impotence, he knew intellectually, yet..."
．．．应该改述使其涵盖各种特定的不道德的战争．理智告诉他：（战争发动者把）这些战争当作医治国家无能的救命稻草／处方，然而．．．
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．．．应该改述使其涵盖反对各种特定的不道德的战争．理智告诉他：（战争发动者把）这些战争当作医治国家无能的救命稻草／处方，然而．．．
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Sorry, did not read the whole paragraph before offering previous answer. Modified as below:
他甚至为最后一节法律课准备了一篇言辞激进的论文，力主基于良心而反战的原则应该被重新阐释，加以拓展，只反对某些不道德的战争——理智告诉他：这是国力不济的权宜之计, 也是他自己面对充军前景以及到牛津就读希望的破灭的矛盾心理的一种表白(表露).
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a recipe for national impotence这是进一步说明为什么要缩小反战范围：因为＂国力不济＂呀，同时也可能＂避免被充军＂，进而可去牛津求学．即给缩小反战范围找的一个理由．
他的矛盾心理：反战，但又想求学（故不希望被充军）．
不是＂因兵源匮乏而导致国力空虚＂．
he rephrased to 缩小反战范围 because 1. 国力不济, 2. 他心存去牛津求学的愿望．
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Pay attention to FOR in a recipe for...
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national impotence是＂因＂，不是＂果＂
．．．应该改述使其涵盖各种特定的不道德的战争．理智告诉他：（战争发动者把）这些战争当作医治国家无能的救命稻草／处方，然而．．．
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．．．应该改述使其涵盖反对各种特定的不道德的战争．理智告诉他：（战争发动者把）这些战争当作医治国家无能的救命稻草／处方，然而．．．
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Note added at 7 hrs 13 mins (2004-09-06 14:03:22 GMT)
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Sorry, did not read the whole paragraph before offering previous answer. Modified as below:
他甚至为最后一节法律课准备了一篇言辞激进的论文，力主基于良心而反战的原则应该被重新阐释，加以拓展，只反对某些不道德的战争——理智告诉他：这是国力不济的权宜之计, 也是他自己面对充军前景以及到牛津就读希望的破灭的矛盾心理的一种表白(表露).
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a recipe for national impotence这是进一步说明为什么要缩小反战范围：因为＂国力不济＂呀，同时也可能＂避免被充军＂，进而可去牛津求学．即给缩小反战范围找的一个理由．
他的矛盾心理：反战，但又想求学（故不希望被充军）．
不是＂因兵源匮乏而导致国力空虚＂．
he rephrased to 缩小反战范围 because 1. 国力不济, 2. 他心存去牛津求学的愿望．
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Pay attention to FOR in a recipe for...
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national impotence是＂因＂，不是＂果＂
Peer comment(s):
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Ritchest
: "objection to ..... "
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Ｕ R right. I missed "objection to..." Thanks.
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chica nueva
: "war in general""specific...wars一定的"; 就是a recipe for national impotence但是还是/也是an expression of his own internal conflict
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thnak you!"
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应该改写、扩叙，以补述关于反对一些特定的不道德战争的原则
应该改写、扩叙，以补述关于反对一些特定的不道德战争的原则
16 hrs
chica nueva
Native in English
Specializes in field
http://youtube/iraVWQu3Zf8
Native in: English (Variants: British, New Zealand)
Works in: Chinese to English
Related KudoZ points
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126
FYI a recipe for something
a recipe for something = a way of making something likely to happen 做谋事的方法;秘诀 eg These proposals look like a recipe for disaster. 这些建议看来后患无穷.
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
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Wenjer Leuschel (X)
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| disagree |
Mark Xiang
: recipe(here)=PRESCRIPTION/如果他倡导的观点导致国力空虚，那么＂a recipe for ．．．＂这段补述的目的就是否认他的观点，似乎讲不通．
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English term (edited):
he knew intellectually, yet :
可以这样诠释吗？
"he knew intellectually, yet"能不能这样解读成"he knew intellectually that it is but an expression..."？
即这一大段“he even prepared ...to specific immoral wars”描述了这人做的事，而这些事（他本人也心里有数）只不过表达了他的某种矛盾？如果这样的解释可行的话，那译出来应该不太难吧？
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参考了大家的宝贵意见后，我发觉大家（除了Mark)似乎倾向于把“a recipe for national impotence”解释为“导致国力空虚”。但是如果除了反对一切战争，现又加以扩充以“反对某些不道德战争”，那又怎么会导致国力虚弱呢？－即除了反对因任何理由而开战，现在又反对因为某些道德理由而开战，那就几乎完全不开战了，国家可因此省下大笔费用，又何来“导致国力空虚”之说呢？除非：
(1)“反对某些不道德战争”的意思为“（为了）反对某些不道德（的行为而进行）战争；
(2)国力单指国家的军力，而非综合的政治、经济、社会等方面的稳定繁荣
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discourse的解释本来在情理上是说得通的，不过，正如Wenjer Leuschel的高见: extended to cover = 衍伸为包含，这新的主张并不摒弃旧的见解，只是更进一步包括了”反对某些不道德的战争“，即两者同时存在，而并不是”只“反对某些不道德的战争。
*对不起，不晓得为什么，我无法把意见添加在Notes Added之下，只好在我的”地盘“撒野了:-)
即这一大段“he even prepared ...to specific immoral wars”描述了这人做的事，而这些事（他本人也心里有数）只不过表达了他的某种矛盾？如果这样的解释可行的话，那译出来应该不太难吧？
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参考了大家的宝贵意见后，我发觉大家（除了Mark)似乎倾向于把“a recipe for national impotence”解释为“导致国力空虚”。但是如果除了反对一切战争，现又加以扩充以“反对某些不道德战争”，那又怎么会导致国力虚弱呢？－即除了反对因任何理由而开战，现在又反对因为某些道德理由而开战，那就几乎完全不开战了，国家可因此省下大笔费用，又何来“导致国力空虚”之说呢？除非：
(1)“反对某些不道德战争”的意思为“（为了）反对某些不道德（的行为而进行）战争；
(2)国力单指国家的军力，而非综合的政治、经济、社会等方面的稳定繁荣
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discourse的解释本来在情理上是说得通的，不过，正如Wenjer Leuschel的高见: extended to cover = 衍伸为包含，这新的主张并不摒弃旧的见解，只是更进一步包括了”反对某些不道德的战争“，即两者同时存在，而并不是”只“反对某些不道德的战争。
*对不起，不晓得为什么，我无法把意见添加在Notes Added之下，只好在我的”地盘“撒野了:-)
Peer comment(s):
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chica nueva
: ,he knew intellectually, is a comment on the idea of 'a recipe for national impotence'. He is having an internal debate (心理辩论)
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