Jun 6, 2017 17:58
7 yrs ago
English term
We also feel something in the subjective sense
English
Social Sciences
Psychology
mind
Hi,
I'm struggling with the meaning of this sentence: “But perhaps we also feel something in the subjective sense of what happens between us as well”, taken from the passage below.
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We are proposing that while this subjective experience may ultimately be an internal process, meaning we feel what we feel from our embodied mind, within our mindscape, perhaps we still have a relational and embodied aspect of self-organization. ** But perhaps we also feel something in the subjective sense of what happens between us as well. ** Subjectivity and self-organization may each be aspects of an embodied and relational energy and information flow—sensations and regulations that arise as shifts from potential to actual and back into potential.
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I was wondering whether it might be understood as if there were two commas:
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But perhaps we also feel something, in the subjective sense, of what happens between us as well
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How would you interpret “subjective sense” here? Might it mean “subjective experience”?
Thank you so much in advance for any hint!
I'm struggling with the meaning of this sentence: “But perhaps we also feel something in the subjective sense of what happens between us as well”, taken from the passage below.
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We are proposing that while this subjective experience may ultimately be an internal process, meaning we feel what we feel from our embodied mind, within our mindscape, perhaps we still have a relational and embodied aspect of self-organization. ** But perhaps we also feel something in the subjective sense of what happens between us as well. ** Subjectivity and self-organization may each be aspects of an embodied and relational energy and information flow—sensations and regulations that arise as shifts from potential to actual and back into potential.
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I was wondering whether it might be understood as if there were two commas:
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But perhaps we also feel something, in the subjective sense, of what happens between us as well
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How would you interpret “subjective sense” here? Might it mean “subjective experience”?
Thank you so much in advance for any hint!
Responses
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we also perceive/sense/detect something in the subjective interpretation-meaning of the word
Subjectively speaking, from my own "humble" viewpoint, I don't think this is SOOO difficult.
However, given the authoritative opinions already given, I'd rather avoid playing the role of the "funny guy" with his "peanut gallery comments"... Thus, my "low" level of certainty.
Oxford (to the rescue)
in a (or one) sense
By a particular interpretation of a statement or situation.
‘in a sense, behaviour cannot develop independently of the environment’
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sense
I also like,
sense
2.1 A keen intuitive awareness of or sensitivity to the presence or importance of something.
‘she had a fine sense of comic timing’
3 mass noun A sane and realistic attitude to situations and problems.
‘he earned respect by the good sense he showed at meetings’
3.1 A reasonable or comprehensible rationale.
‘I can't see the sense in leaving all the work to you’
Each one of us, personally, subjectively, have a "subjective sense", i.e., a "reasonable rationale" about things. We may be wrong or right, but that's how we (I, subjectively) see things, feel things...
My two subjective cents, based on my intuitive awareness of the State of the Union. ;-)
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Note added at 3 days10 hrs (2017-06-10 04:33:41 GMT) Post-grading
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You are very welcome, Haribert!
Glad to be of help! :-)
However, given the authoritative opinions already given, I'd rather avoid playing the role of the "funny guy" with his "peanut gallery comments"... Thus, my "low" level of certainty.
Oxford (to the rescue)
in a (or one) sense
By a particular interpretation of a statement or situation.
‘in a sense, behaviour cannot develop independently of the environment’
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sense
I also like,
sense
2.1 A keen intuitive awareness of or sensitivity to the presence or importance of something.
‘she had a fine sense of comic timing’
3 mass noun A sane and realistic attitude to situations and problems.
‘he earned respect by the good sense he showed at meetings’
3.1 A reasonable or comprehensible rationale.
‘I can't see the sense in leaving all the work to you’
Each one of us, personally, subjectively, have a "subjective sense", i.e., a "reasonable rationale" about things. We may be wrong or right, but that's how we (I, subjectively) see things, feel things...
My two subjective cents, based on my intuitive awareness of the State of the Union. ;-)
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Note added at 3 days10 hrs (2017-06-10 04:33:41 GMT) Post-grading
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You are very welcome, Haribert!
Glad to be of help! :-)
Note from asker:
| Thank you for your contribution! I've written another example of this usage of "subjective sense" in the Discussion... I think it might mean "subjective experience", so it would be the last interpretation you've mentioned in your answer... But shouldn't the author have inserted commas as well? |
Peer comment(s):
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acetran
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Thank you very much, Acetran. :-)
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Yasutomo Kanazawa
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Thank you very much, Yasutomo! :-)
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B D Finch
: Yes: in the subjective sense (sense = meaning) of the word "feel".
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Thank you very much! :-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you very much, John, for your help! A sincere thanks also to Herbalchemist and all of you who have participated!
have a nice weekend"
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Herbmione Granger
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Works in: French to English, German to English, English
we also feel something, in the subjective way,
It's an idiomatic phrase that should have been offset by commas in this particularly wordy sentence. It answers the question "in which way do we feel this feeling?," implying that there are other ways to feel it. I don't think that it fits any dictionary definition. Original example: I am gardening, in the sprinkle-some-seeds-and-wait sense, and tolerating the weather. (Here gardening is expected to be a more involved activity, but I hint that it is not one for me.)
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Note added at 19 hrs (2017-06-07 13:36:07 GMT)
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Well, this was an "educated guess." I trust that the Asker knows best w.r.t. the document they are working with :)
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Note added at 19 hrs (2017-06-07 13:36:07 GMT)
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Well, this was an "educated guess." I trust that the Asker knows best w.r.t. the document they are working with :)
Note from asker:
| Thank you for your contribution! I've written another example of this use of "subjective sense" in the book. I also agree with you that there should be commas... have a nice afternoon! |
Discussion
I’ve found other occurrences of “subjective sense” in the book, which makes me think it means “subjective experience” or maybe also “felt sense” (I’ve written one example below). My doubt with the sentence for which I’ve asked your help was the absence of commas, but judging from your answers, I think my interpretation might be correct...
I forgot to mention that according to this author, our mind is both "embodied", personal, and relational, interpersonal. So, maybe, with this sentence, he is trying to say that somehow our "subjective experience" has a relational aspect... maybe..
Here is another example of "subjective sense":
While we sense our subjective textures of lived life within consciousness, the fullness of the experience of being aware, as we’ll see, is larger than the felt sense itself. Mind includes subjective experience, the whole of consciousness that enables us to know *** that subjective sense ***, and an information processing, a flow of information that can be within or beneath consciousness.
Have a nice evening!
Have a nice evening!
I think it would take an expert in this particular author or school of thought to help you disentangle this one.
Best of luck! :)