Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
tourbillon benjaminien
English translation:
a Benjaminian whirlpool
Added to glossary by
Vanessa Lindsey
Aug 13, 2005 14:53
18 yrs ago
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French term
tourbillon benjaminien
French to English
Art/Literary
Cinema, Film, TV, Drama
surrealism
Text about a film. Describing its treatment of time. Having trouble with 'benjaminien'. I would translate 'tourbillon' as 'whirlwind' or more likely 'vortex' here.
Context:
"Par ses mouvements d’allers-retours entre diverses temporalités, « The Black Room » se présente comme une ouverture béante du temps, un symptôme, un « mouvement aberrant » (Deleuze), un tourbillon benjaminien."
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Context:
"Par ses mouvements d’allers-retours entre diverses temporalités, « The Black Room » se présente comme une ouverture béante du temps, un symptôme, un « mouvement aberrant » (Deleuze), un tourbillon benjaminien."
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Proposed translations
(English)
5 | a Benjaminian whirlpool |
lokilo
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4 +2 | benjaminian whirlwind |
Franck Le Gac (X)
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3 +2 | adjectif dérivé du nom de Walter Benjamin ->Benjaminian |
df49f (X)
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3 +1 | youngest whirlwind |
DocteurPC
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Proposed translations
8 hrs
Selected
a Benjaminian whirlpool
In reference, no doubt, to Descartes's whirlpools, ie. an idiosyncratic theory. In this context, a vision that cannot exist other than in this film (wait... isn't this all movies???) I've seen the term translated as "vortices," (both are used in the link below) but whirlpool is closer to Descarte's pre-Newtonian idea of a fluid universe. It's the term usually used...
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Note added at 9 hrs 4 mins (2005-08-13 23:57:39 GMT)
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In response to emiledgar\'s note: a proper name used as an adjective is not capitalized in French. It is Walter Benjamin (pronounce, I am told, Ben-ya-min).
oh!... just checked, and it turns out that this term IS one of Benjamin\'s own theories on time (from a paper on the following site: http://www.lib.latrobe.edu.au/AHR/archive/Issue-June-2000/in...
\"In another essay, Benjamin presented time as a whirlpool, \"in which earlier and later events, the prehistory and posthistory of an event swirl\". Of Proust\'s À la recherche du temps perdu, with its combination of aging and remembrance, he spoke of time as a braid, an intertwining. In Julien Green, he noted how the work would suddenly fall, in its treatment of family history, into the deep recesses of primal history, as if a corridor had suddenly opened in time. Of Hofmannsthal he wrote: \"The country no longer had a future. And so…the time that was yet to come was, as it were, all rolled up into the past, like a scroll, and became a sort of underworld of the future, one haunted by only the oldest of things.\"
Guess Benjamin echoed Descartes\'s term...
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Note added at 11 hrs 21 mins (2005-08-14 02:14:48 GMT)
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guess that if the author had meant to say what I proposed at first, he/she would have written: \"un tourbillon de Benjamin,\" with a slight derogatory tone. Still think that Benjamin was thinking of Descartes when he came up with the term. Although... one would have to verify with the original German term and the German translation of Descartes\'s term...
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Note added at 9 hrs 4 mins (2005-08-13 23:57:39 GMT)
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In response to emiledgar\'s note: a proper name used as an adjective is not capitalized in French. It is Walter Benjamin (pronounce, I am told, Ben-ya-min).
oh!... just checked, and it turns out that this term IS one of Benjamin\'s own theories on time (from a paper on the following site: http://www.lib.latrobe.edu.au/AHR/archive/Issue-June-2000/in...
\"In another essay, Benjamin presented time as a whirlpool, \"in which earlier and later events, the prehistory and posthistory of an event swirl\". Of Proust\'s À la recherche du temps perdu, with its combination of aging and remembrance, he spoke of time as a braid, an intertwining. In Julien Green, he noted how the work would suddenly fall, in its treatment of family history, into the deep recesses of primal history, as if a corridor had suddenly opened in time. Of Hofmannsthal he wrote: \"The country no longer had a future. And so…the time that was yet to come was, as it were, all rolled up into the past, like a scroll, and became a sort of underworld of the future, one haunted by only the oldest of things.\"
Guess Benjamin echoed Descartes\'s term...
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Note added at 11 hrs 21 mins (2005-08-14 02:14:48 GMT)
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guess that if the author had meant to say what I proposed at first, he/she would have written: \"un tourbillon de Benjamin,\" with a slight derogatory tone. Still think that Benjamin was thinking of Descartes when he came up with the term. Although... one would have to verify with the original German term and the German translation of Descartes\'s term...
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Comment: "Many thanks to everyone for their answers."
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3 hrs
adjectif dérivé du nom de Walter Benjamin ->Benjaminian
adjectif dérivé du nom de Walter Benjamin - as you would Freudian etc...
Deleuze and The Fold Workshop Schedule - [ Traduire cette page ]
... (Dundee) – ‘Allegorical Aesthetics and the ‘Sensibility of Sufficient Reason’: Reading Deleuze’s Fold through Benjaminian Themes’ ( word doc Abstract) ...
www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/ philosophy/news/deleuze/schedule/ - 16k - 11 août 2005 - En cache - Pages similaires
Walter Benjamin -- Philosophy Books and Online Resources - [ Traduire cette page ]
Walter Benjamin resources -- includes online and textual resources, biographies, new and used books by and about Walter Benjamin and more.
www.erraticimpact.com/~20thcentury/html/benjamin.htm - 39k - En cache - Pages similaires
Find Literary Theory Groups In Your Area - Meetup.com - [ Traduire cette page ]
Read and discuss works of literary theory, such as Derrida, Walter Benjamin, Deleuze, Levinas, etc. Country. United States of America, Canada, Great Britain ...
littheory.meetup.com/ - 24k - 11 août 2005 - En cache - Pages similaires
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Note added at 3 hrs 39 mins (2005-08-13 18:32:48 GMT)
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http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/philosophy/news/deleuze/sc...
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:OhoZSdegF9AJ:www2.warwick...
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Note added at 3 hrs 42 mins (2005-08-13 18:35:30 GMT)
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pour tourbillion ici, I think I\'d use vortex...
Deleuze and The Fold Workshop Schedule - [ Traduire cette page ]
... (Dundee) – ‘Allegorical Aesthetics and the ‘Sensibility of Sufficient Reason’: Reading Deleuze’s Fold through Benjaminian Themes’ ( word doc Abstract) ...
www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/ philosophy/news/deleuze/schedule/ - 16k - 11 août 2005 - En cache - Pages similaires
Walter Benjamin -- Philosophy Books and Online Resources - [ Traduire cette page ]
Walter Benjamin resources -- includes online and textual resources, biographies, new and used books by and about Walter Benjamin and more.
www.erraticimpact.com/~20thcentury/html/benjamin.htm - 39k - En cache - Pages similaires
Find Literary Theory Groups In Your Area - Meetup.com - [ Traduire cette page ]
Read and discuss works of literary theory, such as Derrida, Walter Benjamin, Deleuze, Levinas, etc. Country. United States of America, Canada, Great Britain ...
littheory.meetup.com/ - 24k - 11 août 2005 - En cache - Pages similaires
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Note added at 3 hrs 39 mins (2005-08-13 18:32:48 GMT)
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http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/philosophy/news/deleuze/sc...
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:OhoZSdegF9AJ:www2.warwick...
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Note added at 3 hrs 42 mins (2005-08-13 18:35:30 GMT)
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pour tourbillion ici, I think I\'d use vortex...
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3 hrs
benjaminian whirlwind
From the German social, cultural and literary critic and scholar Walter Benjamin (1899-1941), who among other things wrote of History as manifesting itself in unexpected surges and returns of memories, among other things in material objects. Being familiar with Benjamin's writings, more particularly the Arcades project, I'd favor 'whirlwind' over 'vortex', which involves a movement towards the center and is not the best metaphor for Benjamin's thought.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Jane Lamb-Ru (X)
: yes but it has to be capitalized in English: Benjaminian
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Thank you, Jane.
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agree |
JCEC
8 hrs
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15 mins
youngest whirlwind
if benjaminien here is from benjamin, meaning the youngest member of a family
however maybe it refers to somebody called Benjamin
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Note added at 16 mins (2005-08-13 15:09:41 GMT)
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it does : Le legs benjaminien Pensée, critique et histoire après Walter Benjamin [Assemblage
... Luc Gougeon, Une carte topographique de l\'esprit benjaminien [03] ...www.mapageweb.umontreal.ca/cochrant/asmb/0501.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
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Note added at 22 mins (2005-08-13 15:15:48 GMT)
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He wrote : Thesis on the philosophy of history! and against Fascism
how about : Benjamin-type whirlwind?
as answer
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Note added at 6 hrs 20 mins (2005-08-13 21:13:28 GMT)
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but I also like fledgling
however maybe it refers to somebody called Benjamin
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Note added at 16 mins (2005-08-13 15:09:41 GMT)
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it does : Le legs benjaminien Pensée, critique et histoire après Walter Benjamin [Assemblage
... Luc Gougeon, Une carte topographique de l\'esprit benjaminien [03] ...www.mapageweb.umontreal.ca/cochrant/asmb/0501.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
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Note added at 22 mins (2005-08-13 15:15:48 GMT)
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He wrote : Thesis on the philosophy of history! and against Fascism
how about : Benjamin-type whirlwind?
as answer
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Note added at 6 hrs 20 mins (2005-08-13 21:13:28 GMT)
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but I also like fledgling
Peer comment(s):
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emiledgar
: yes, perhaps "smallest" in thjis case? If this were about Mr. Benjamin, would it not be capitalized, even in French?
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