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Dec 20, 2006 16:53
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French term

Libre Defaillant / Libre Present

French to English Law/Patents Law (general) Court hearing
At the start of the document, details of where and when the hearing has taken place and detailing that it is the public prosecutor against the various accused persons. There is a list of the four accused, under the first three it states- just on its own - after detailing their names, date/place of birth, civil status, etc...

LIBRE DEFAILLANT

and under one of them

LIBRE PRESENT

I understand that the "defaillant" relates to the defendant not appearing in court and the "present" obviously means they turned up! But combined with the "libre" I'm not sure how to translate it/understand the sense of libre here, other than free....Any ideas
Proposed translations (English)
4 in the community
2 defaulter/present

Discussion

writeaway Dec 23, 2006:
What did you end up using?
Emma Turner (asker) Dec 22, 2006:
THANKS TO ALL Thanks to everyone for your input, even though I didn't actually go with any of your exact suggestions your insight into the sense behind the terms was very helpful.
writeaway Dec 20, 2006:
imo, you may have to ask if you don't find any other info in the doc. Guessing isn't really an option and to me it's not 100% clear to say for certain.
Emma Turner (asker) Dec 20, 2006:
from France, a hearing at a court in Marseille
writeaway Dec 20, 2006:
what country is this from?

Proposed translations

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defaulter/present

One is present in the court the other is a defaulter. As for libre maybe it means "liberte surveillee"? which is conditional release or on probation.
I hope this is of any help to you.
Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : guessing really doesn't work for legal docs. we can all guess at what they mean but it's usually best to know for sure.
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in the community

I'm sure there is better legalistic term, but I would understand this to mean that the defendants were "in the community", as opposed to being incarcerated prior to their court appearance - which would be why one of them is "défaillant".

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I can think of legal words for what "libre" is not - in custody, detained - but not their opposites. "On bail" might work, but we don't know if any bail was ever set. And of course "at large" is what the person "défaillant" is now.

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I think the following suggest that it is a fair guess:

nul l'ordre de remise en liberté de Michel Kilo qui n'a pu se présenter libre à son procès", poursuit l'organisation de défense de liberté de la presse. ...
www.lemonde.fr/web/depeches/0,14-0,39-29136057@7-37,0.html

Si le journaliste doit être interrogé dans le cadre de cette affaire, il doit pouvoir se présenter libre devant le juge. Nous avions eu l’occasion, déjà, ...
www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=7116

Bové cherche à se présenter libre, sans se faire prendre par les gendarmes. A son arrivée, les gendarmes l'arrêtent donc et il se fait prendre en photo au ...
www.fdesouche.com/index.php?2006/05/28/219-qui-est-jose-bov...

mais Tandju Colak pourra néanmoins se présenter libre, au mois de septembre, devant la Cour suprême turque pour une toute nouvelle affaire de voiture ...
www.humanite.presse.fr/journal/1993-08-31/1993-08-31-683184

Dernièrement, on avait vu l'homme se présenter libre à la cour d'appel, mais c'était dans le cadre d'un congé pénitentiaire. Aujourd'hui, nous avons appris ...
www.dhnet.be/dhinfos/article.phtml?id=140134

Julien Bellanger et Karim Kebili, interpellés lundi matin à Estrées-Saint-Denis dans le cadre d'une enquête sur un trafic de stupéfiants attendront leur procès en prison.
C'est ce qu'a décidé hier matin le tribunal de Compiègne.

Le troisième homme interpellé en début de semaine dans cette même affaire pourra, quant à lui, se présenter libre à la barre du tribunal jeudi 21 décembre...
www.fmcradio.info/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3810


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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2006-12-22 01:28:18 GMT)
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I've always associated "bail" with payment of money, but it appears that is a "bail bond". "On bail" may be it.

"bail - Release from custody of a person accused of crime before trial, or of a person convicted of a crime, pending appeal or sentence ... Bail must be granted unless there is reason to believe that the accused would abscond, commit further offences while on bail, or interfere with the course of justice"
Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : free on bail is what comes to mind but there is no point in guessing. Asker may have to check with client to verify what they mean, unless there is more context elsewhere in the doc.
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