Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
überwinden
English translation:
negotiate/navigate
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Yuu Andou
Apr 10, 2012 01:48
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German term
überwinden
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Gletscher: Fragen zur Selbstrettung
Die Literatur sagt, dass die Selbstrettung der Bergung durch Kameraden vorzuziehen ist, solange das möglich ist. Logisch. Erwähnt wird hier immer die Prusik-Technik mittels Schlingen zum Aufstieg am Seil. Warum? Es scheint ja Alternativen zu geben. Ich möchte hier mal meine Gedanken dazu darlegen.
Prusikknoten:
+ Wenig Material = Wenig Gewicht
- Mit Handschuhen recht fummelig
- Widerstand am Seil
- Bremsknoten sind schwer zu ***überwinden*** (Knoten ggf. neu legen.)
Soft-Knot:
+ Schnell anzuwenden (Spart Zeit)
+ Weniger Widerstand = Leichteres Aufsteigen
- Funktioniert nur "an den Seilenden" der Seilschaft
- GriGri muss zum ***überwinden*** von Knoten vom Seil genommen werden
- Gewicht
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Prusikknoten:
+ Wenig Material = Wenig Gewicht
- Mit Handschuhen recht fummelig
- Widerstand am Seil
- Bremsknoten sind schwer zu ***überwinden*** (Knoten ggf. neu legen.)
Soft-Knot:
+ Schnell anzuwenden (Spart Zeit)
+ Weniger Widerstand = Leichteres Aufsteigen
- Funktioniert nur "an den Seilenden" der Seilschaft
- GriGri muss zum ***überwinden*** von Knoten vom Seil genommen werden
- Gewicht
- Mehr Material
Proposed translations
(English)
| 2 +3 | negotiate/navigate |
Jonathan MacKerron
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| 5 | overcome |
Daniela Spier
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| 3 +2 | to get past |
Colin Rowe
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| 3 +1 | overcome |
MalteLaurids
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| 5 -1 | to climb |
Rosa Paredes
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| 1 | undo |
RegineMac
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References
| climbing/moving past the knot |
Bernhard Sulzer
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Proposed translations
+3
5 hrs
Jonathan MacKerron
Native in English
Retired as of Jan 2019!
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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68
Selected
negotiate/navigate
is how I understand it
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Danke schoen!"
24 mins
undo
This is what you do with a knot. So I'm guessing that's what he's referring to.
Or you untie it.
Or you untie it.
Peer comment(s):
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Bernhard Sulzer
: I would expect "aufschnüren, aufknoten, lösen, etc. for "untie". I am not an expert, but have a look: search for "Überwinden von Knoten im Seil" here: http://gearlist.info/forum/showthread.php?37287-Gletscher-Fr...
41 mins
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+1
33 mins
MalteLaurids
Native in German
Native in: German 
Works in: German to Japanese, Japanese to German, English to Japanese, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
overcome
Knots can be obstacles in the rope when climbing.
Example sentence:
Overcoming a knot or obstacle in a rappel rope
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Bernhard Sulzer
: or "to move past it" http://gearlist.info/forum/showthread.php?37287-Gletscher-Fr...
27 mins
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Thank you.
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-1
3 hrs
Rosa Paredes
Canada
Canada
Native in English
Specializes in field
Canada
Criminal, Civil and Immigration Law
Native in: English , Spanish (Variants: Latin American, Chilean, Standard-Spain, Mexican)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
to climb
As in 'überwinden von Treppen'. You climb a the knots in a rappel rope.
www.swiss-cave-diving.ch/.../knotentechnik-kanad... - Translate this page
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Der Bremsknoten ist zudem für die Kameradensicherung einsetzbar. In diesem Fall sind auf jeden Fall Lederhandschuhe zur. Vermeidung von Verletzungen zu ...
climbing.about.com/od/climbingknots/a/4FrictionKnots.htm
When climbers use the knots to ascend the rope, the technique is called “Prusiking ... knot (both knots used for tying rappel ropes together) to form a loop of cord.
www.swiss-cave-diving.ch/.../knotentechnik-kanad... - Translate this page
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Der Bremsknoten ist zudem für die Kameradensicherung einsetzbar. In diesem Fall sind auf jeden Fall Lederhandschuhe zur. Vermeidung von Verletzungen zu ...
climbing.about.com/od/climbingknots/a/4FrictionKnots.htm
When climbers use the knots to ascend the rope, the technique is called “Prusiking ... knot (both knots used for tying rappel ropes together) to form a loop of cord.
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Kim Metzger
: Knots are hard to climb? /Source text: Bremsknoten sind schwer zu überwinden
7 hrs
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Where do you you get the ''hard to climb'' part? That is a misinterpretation. According to your interpretation ''überwinden von Treppen'' would translate as ''stairs hard to climb'' . Really Kim?
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5 hrs
Daniela Spier
Germany
Germany
Native in German
Specializes in field
Germany
Barrier free. International. Successful.
Native in: German
Works in: Spanish to German, French to German, English to German, and 4 more.
overcome
I suggest the same as Malte
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Colin Rowe
: So why don't you simply click on "Agree" under Malte's answer then, instead of repeating the same answer???
3 hrs
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| neutral |
BirgitBerlin
: Indeed. If you are new here, this is what the interactive function is for at the bottom of each answer.
4 hrs
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+2
8 hrs
Colin Rowe
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Specializes in field
Germany
Par Excellence Translations
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: German to English, French to English, Italian to English, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
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35
to get past
It sounds to me like "getting past the knot in the rope" would be one possible way of expressing it.
".... had to remove our rappel device to get past the knot tied in the rope ..."
climber.org/reports/2007/1633.html
"Lippman is forced to un-clip the carabiner to get past the knot. "
ytsbus.com/styled-6/styled-7/code-10/
".... had to remove our rappel device to get past the knot tied in the rope ..."
climber.org/reports/2007/1633.html
"Lippman is forced to un-clip the carabiner to get past the knot. "
ytsbus.com/styled-6/styled-7/code-10/
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Kim Metzger
13 hrs
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| agree |
Bernhard Sulzer
: In this case, the verb really indicates literally getting or moving past an object, the knot, and less a general "managing" of some problem. Bernhard
1 day 15 hrs
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Reference comments
1 hr
Bernhard Sulzer
United States
United States
Native in German
Works in field
United States
High quality at a reasonable price
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, German, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
20
Reference:
climbing/moving past the knot
http://www.forums.caves.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11570&start=...
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-04-10 03:02:28 GMT)
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"Re: Passing knots on rappel
"I use a ropewalker, so when I downclimb past the knot, I literally downclimb past the knot, remove each ascender from the rope as I come to the knot and reattach below and continue till I am past and do a changeover and continue. That being said my ropewalker is a 4ascender system as I have a chest croll for frogging as well so I can frog or ropewalk as needed. Mostly I like how it gives me the ability to climb with a ropewalker, hands free from any hand ascender above the chest roller.
Even with a frog system I down climb past the knot by clipping my short cowstail into the belay loop I tie in the knot, disconnect the chest croll and reattach below the knot, move past the knot with the upper ascender, unclip the cowstail, move down another step then changeover and continue rappelling."
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-04-10 03:02:28 GMT)
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"Re: Passing knots on rappel
"I use a ropewalker, so when I downclimb past the knot, I literally downclimb past the knot, remove each ascender from the rope as I come to the knot and reattach below and continue till I am past and do a changeover and continue. That being said my ropewalker is a 4ascender system as I have a chest croll for frogging as well so I can frog or ropewalk as needed. Mostly I like how it gives me the ability to climb with a ropewalker, hands free from any hand ascender above the chest roller.
Even with a frog system I down climb past the knot by clipping my short cowstail into the belay loop I tie in the knot, disconnect the chest croll and reattach below the knot, move past the knot with the upper ascender, unclip the cowstail, move down another step then changeover and continue rappelling."
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
Kim Metzger
: Nice and helpful research.
21 hrs
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thank you, Kim!
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