Latin term
hira
When looking up "haruspex" I read that it derived from "hira". According to my dictionary, hira = "empty gut", but I think that must refer to a part of the digestive system, not an empty stomach.
All the best,
Simon
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Péter Jutai
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Luis Antonio de Larrauri
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| 4 | loin; guts/entrails; |
Liliana Galiano
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Hungary
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Native in: Hungarian
Works in: English to Hungarian, Latin to English, German to Hungarian
empty gut is good
If you don't like this solution, there is another: haruga meant victim, and then there is no empty gut and things like that, just a well known word.
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I have read that the sanskrit 'hir' meant artery. But this is the least plausable solution.
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Joseph Brazauskas
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Sandra Mouton
: My dictionary of Latin etymology mention an etruscan origin hypothesis for haru- but says this was dismissed as farfetched and haru- is related with different words, meaning gut or vein, in some indoeuropean languages, e.g. old icelandic, greek, sanskrit
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Legal, business, literature specialized
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, French to Spanish, Latin to English, and 4 more.
Small gut
Hira-ae: Small gut, jejunum (middle section of the small intestine, between the duodenum and ileum). | In plural is guts, insides, innards (Plaut.)
So is a different version. I hope it helps.
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As Péter points out, jejunum in Latin means "empty", so that's another reason why "jejunum" (now as English word) could be a good rendering for hira/"empty gut".
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Péter Jutai
: This is worth mentioning: ieiunum intestinum means hungry (empty) gut, because it's always empty, for it "works" even after death. So it may be just guessing: if hira means empty gut, it MUST be the jejunum, because that's empty gut.
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Yes, that is why jejunum might sum up, in one word, the idea of empty gut. Jejunum is not just Latin, is English too, medical English. Good point, Péter.
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Sandra Mouton
: My (Gaffiot) dictionary gives 'small intestine, jejunum' for hira but according to my Ernout-Meillet dictionary of Latin etymology it isn't, strictly speaking, the origin of haruspex
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Thank you, Sandra!
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Argentina
Education and Economics specialist.
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, German to Spanish, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
loin; guts/entrails;
haruspex
haruspex N 3 1 NOM S M
haruspex N 3 1 VOC S M
haruspex, haruspicis N (3rd) M [XXXDX] lesser
soothsayer, diviner; inspector of entrails of victims;
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(C16: from Latin, probably from hira gut + specere to look)
♦ haruspical adj
♦ haruspicy n
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oni (green) ; haruspex, hariolus, hira and hilla (entrails),
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Haruspex: The Latin name for a diviner, originally derived from the Etruscan method of Divination, which involved the foretelling of future events from an examination of the entrails of slaughtered animals.The word may have been derived from the Sanskrit root hira (entrails). A synonymous term is Extispicy
Discussion
Origin:
1350–1400; ME < L jējūnum, n. use of neut. of jējūnus empty, poor, mean; so called because thought to be empty after death
So that's why they used to call it the empty gut! If only the best Latin dictionaries didn't date back to the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries!