Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
En ese lugar se levantaba hasta la invasión napoleónica la iglesia de San Juan,
English translation:
This was where the Church of San Juan stood until the Napoleonic invasion
Added to glossary by
Lisa McCarthy
Oct 7, 2008 20:37
15 yrs ago
Spanish term
En ese lugar se levantaba hasta la invasión napoleónica la iglesia de San Juan,
Spanish to English
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En ese lugar se levantaba hasta la invasión napoleónica la iglesia de San Juan, donde fue enterrado Velásquez con su mujer, en 1660
-No sé cuál sería la mejor traducción de la frase de arriba. Dudo entre estos dos (más que nada es el uso del verbo “levantarse” que me da problemas:
In this place, the church of San Juan was erected (built) until the Napoleonic invasion, where Velázquez was buried with his wife, in 1660. (pero me suena demasiado literal)
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Here/there stood the church of San Juan (or the San Juan Church) until the Napoleonic invasion, where Valezquez was buried... ?
-No sé cuál sería la mejor traducción de la frase de arriba. Dudo entre estos dos (más que nada es el uso del verbo “levantarse” que me da problemas:
In this place, the church of San Juan was erected (built) until the Napoleonic invasion, where Velázquez was buried with his wife, in 1660. (pero me suena demasiado literal)
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Here/there stood the church of San Juan (or the San Juan Church) until the Napoleonic invasion, where Valezquez was buried... ?
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Oct 21, 2008 06:42: Lisa McCarthy Created KOG entry
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This was where the Church of San Juan stood until the Napoleonic invasion
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patinba
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thjank
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ormiston
: only prob is fitting in the buried couple!
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Thanks Ormiston - ....,and is the final resting place of... :-)
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Bubo Coroman (X)
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Thanks Deborah!
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Rick Larg
: .. and is where the happy couple are buried.
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Thanks Rick - they could´ve been miserable though. :-)
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Rachel Fell
: but I think it sounds more Eng. as "until the invasion by Napoleon"
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Thanks Rachel! - I like your suggestion too.
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Daltry Gárate
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Thanks Daltry
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Mónica Sauza
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Gracias Monica!
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Carla Selyer
: This sounds nice - just the same way historical texts are phrased
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Thanks Carla
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moken
: Def. 'stood'. :O) :O)
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Gracias Álvaro!
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Daniel Coria
: What about "this is" instead of "this was"? After all, "stood" is already in the past... Saludos/Regards!
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Thanks Daniel - that´s a very valid point you made. I think you can only use 'this is' if you are physically at the site itself. Maybe one for the Discussion board!
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Ignacio Mainz
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This was the site of the church of San Juan until the Napoleonic invasion,
"levantaba" is used - the tense indicates that it used to stand there over a period of time, rather than your first translation.
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Note added at 5 mins (2008-10-07 20:42:58 GMT)
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I think they are using "levantar" to be poetic, so you could use something like:
The church of San Juan towered over this site until...
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Note added at 5 mins (2008-10-07 20:42:58 GMT)
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I think they are using "levantar" to be poetic, so you could use something like:
The church of San Juan towered over this site until...
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liz askew
: yep, this used to be where the church was until..
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thanks Liz
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Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
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Fiona Kirton
: Agree - Its seems construction had already been completed by the time it was destroyed (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0CE3DE1E3AF...
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Liliana Lopez
: I like your suggestion really much more than the actual answer...
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That's a nice thing to say! :)
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ormiston
: I prefer the asker's version (i.e. it stood there until...) as here it sounds as if the site itself magically disappeared with Napoleon (!) agree with your take on it totally though!
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Aie! Someone even more pedantic than myself (that's not an insult, btw ;). Perhaps my 2nd suggestion would get around that problem: "The church of San Juan towered over/dominated this site until..."
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MariCarmen Pizarro
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Ma.Elena Carrión de Medina
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Egmont
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Christine Walsh
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Until Napoleon invaded, this was the location of the church of San Juan
Until Napoleon invaded (Spain), this was the location (or place) of the church of San Juan where Velásquez and his wife were buried in 1660
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Virginia Dominguez
: I like the fact of turning the sentence around, I prefer it. All the others are also right it's just a matter of taste a suppose
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Carlos Sorzano
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In this place was built the church of San Juan until the Napoleonic invasion
hasta
= through, till, down to, all the way to, up to, all the way up to, as far as.
construida
= through, till, down to, all the way to, up to, all the way up to, as far as.
construida
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This place, until the napoleonic invasion, was dominated by the church of S. Juan's
Depending on the context, this could be a good translation, reflecting the emphasis implied in "levantarse".
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Note added at 6 days (2008-10-14 12:14:45 GMT)
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without the " 's " at the end, of course... :-)
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Note added at 6 days (2008-10-14 12:14:45 GMT)
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without the " 's " at the end, of course... :-)
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Reference:
Some uses of the word 'stood' in similar contexts...
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Example sentence:
New York Architecture Images- Church of St. NicholasSt. Nicholas Hellenic Orthodox Church was destroyed together with the World ... spot where the little St. Nicholas Church stood until the morning of Sept. ...
St. Nikolai, Hamburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe structure was to be a three-naved hall church in the typical North German Brick Gothic style. This building stood until the middle of the 19th century, ...
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