Sep 15, 2012 09:48
12 yrs ago
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French term
...certaines permanences que sont....
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Hello
I'm having trouble with '...certain permanences que sont...' in a rather long and complicated sentence
L’entretien phénoménologique, considéré indépendamment des autres méthodes de recherche, permet d’app{ut1}roche{ut2}r la complexité et la spécificité d’un contexte donné, mais favorise parfois trop l’idée que l’expérience n’est qu’idiosyncratique, en masquant certaines *permanences que sont* les dimensions de l’expérience mises au jour dans cette recherche.
I have in English ..*.by masking certain consistencies that are* the revised experiential dimensions in our research
Is this a good interpretation and translation of the French or does anyone have anything better to suggest?
Thanks
I'm having trouble with '...certain permanences que sont...' in a rather long and complicated sentence
L’entretien phénoménologique, considéré indépendamment des autres méthodes de recherche, permet d’app{ut1}roche{ut2}r la complexité et la spécificité d’un contexte donné, mais favorise parfois trop l’idée que l’expérience n’est qu’idiosyncratique, en masquant certaines *permanences que sont* les dimensions de l’expérience mises au jour dans cette recherche.
I have in English ..*.by masking certain consistencies that are* the revised experiential dimensions in our research
Is this a good interpretation and translation of the French or does anyone have anything better to suggest?
Thanks
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | constants |
Wolf Draeger
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| 3 +4 | ...certain constants that are... |
JaneD
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| 4 | continuities |
Helen Shiner
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| 4 | ... some durable aspects ... |
Daryo
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| 4 | permanent aspects of |
cc in nyc
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Change log
Sep 15, 2012 16:05: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "...certain permanences que sont...." to "...certaines permanences que sont...."
Proposed translations
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French term (edited):
...certain permanences que sont....
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constants
As in, personalised interviews can give the impression that each experience is unique, and so conceal the fact that certain constants exist which apply to everyone.
The que sont les dimensions de l’expérience part is tricky; my translation becomes awkward here, and I would suggest rewriting the entire sentence, if possible. But I think the idea behind "permanences" is that of constant or universal factors common to all/most experiences and which do not depend on individual experiences.
The que sont les dimensions de l’expérience part is tricky; my translation becomes awkward here, and I would suggest rewriting the entire sentence, if possible. But I think the idea behind "permanences" is that of constant or universal factors common to all/most experiences and which do not depend on individual experiences.
Example sentence:
...but sometimes encourages the perception that (personal) experiences are always unique, by masking certain constants which form the paradigms of experience covered in this research.
Peer comment(s):
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JaneD
: Exactly
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Thanks Jane :)
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Verginia Ophof
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Thanks Verginia.
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I think that Wolf was first by a couple of minutes.
Thanks everyone"
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Helen Shiner
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France
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Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, French to English
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French term (edited):
...certain permanences que sont....
continuities
This might work.
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French term (edited):
...certain permanences que sont....
...certain constants that are...
I don't think it's "revised", I think it's "revealed". So the experiment is designed to reveal underlying constants in terms of experience which phenomenological research may otherwise obscure.
Peer comment(s):
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Wolf Draeger
: Well said.
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Thanks Wolf
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Verginia Ophof
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Thanks Verginia
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Dr Lofthouse
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Thanks
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Anne Greaves
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Thanks Anne
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French term (edited):
...certain permanences que sont....
... some durable aspects ...
"L’entretien phénoménologique, considéré indépendamment des autres méthodes de recherche, permet d’approcher la complexité et la spécificité d’un contexte donné, mais favorise parfois trop l’idée que l’expérience n’est qu’idiosyncratique, en masquant certaines permanences que sont les dimensions de l’expérience mises au jour dans cette recherche."
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"... by occulting some durable aspects that are the dimensions of experience revealed in the course of this research."
"mises au jour" = "brought to the daylight" = revealed
"... numerous human-induced factors; among these, climate change is certainly one of the more durable aspects of anthropogenic disruptions to natural resources ..."
[http://www.unige.ch/climate/Publications/Beniston/IRRC.pdf]
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"... by occulting some durable aspects that are the dimensions of experience revealed in the course of this research."
"mises au jour" = "brought to the daylight" = revealed
"... numerous human-induced factors; among these, climate change is certainly one of the more durable aspects of anthropogenic disruptions to natural resources ..."
[http://www.unige.ch/climate/Publications/Beniston/IRRC.pdf]
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French term (edited):
certaines permanences que sont
permanent aspects of
In this context (not for the glossary)... interesting construction. ;-)
This would yield: "...by masking permanent aspects of the dimensions of experience revealed in this research"
for: ...en masquant certaines permanences que sont les dimensions de l’expérience mises au jour dans cette recherche.
permanence Caractère de ce qui demeure ou de ce qui fonctionne sans interruption pendant une période de temps longue et indéterminée.
http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/permanence
This would yield: "...by masking permanent aspects of the dimensions of experience revealed in this research"
for: ...en masquant certaines permanences que sont les dimensions de l’expérience mises au jour dans cette recherche.
permanence Caractère de ce qui demeure ou de ce qui fonctionne sans interruption pendant une période de temps longue et indéterminée.
http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/permanence
Discussion
At the moment , it says Jane 58 mins but that can't be right as I read the suggestion about 3 hrs ago
Do you know how the time indicators work?
Hi
I also wondered about this. I think it is because the 'qu' word is not a subject relative pronoun , (the men who are coming)
but more a like a relative pronoun for a clause ( She sand, WHICH I appreciated)
In other words, it is the 'que' that joins two clauses (il pense que les chinois font des mauvais maris)
But I'm not French and if you are and it sounds wrong, then it probably is