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May 12, 2011 22:54
13 yrs ago
Russian term

альпинистская переправа

Russian to English Tech/Engineering Sports / Fitness / Recreation
Something a group of people use to cross a river. Can't seem to find the correct technical term. Context below.

Наконец они упирались в реку, через которую им предстояло наладить переправу...

Одновременно мы быстро налаживали свою альпинистскую переправу...

Потом мы, как организаторы, переправлялись по своей альпинистской переправе на тот берег, снимали ее и, не сказав ни слова, уезжали...
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 rope bridge
3 They finally came to the river they had to rappel across
3 mounted crossing
3 wading through (accross)
2 tyrolean crossing/tyrolean traverse

Discussion

kamilw May 14, 2011:
Mark, I actually changed my mind and think 'rope bridge' would be the most universal term. It includes a commando bridge, a one-rope bridge,
http://www.mountain-survival.net/chapter7/rope-bridge.html
and a Tyrolean traverse. Of course they all require climbing gear and all fit your description.

'A Tyrolean Traverse is a rope bridge that is capable of carrying passengers between two high points. Under the guidance of a West Lakes Instructor build a Tyrolean Traverse across a deep Gorge above a river and have the nerve to put faith in your own construction.'
http://www.westlakesadventure.co.uk/other-activities
Mark Berelekhis (asker) May 14, 2011:
Kamilw, I ended up circumventing all the instances with "переправа" using "climbing gear," as per your suggestion. Please submit it as an answer, because the points are rightfully yours.
kamilw May 13, 2011:
Mark, that really helps so that we can exclude the belayed crossing where all get wet :) For a Tyrolean or a commando bridge e.g. one man wades belayed, fixes the ropes at the other bank, women cross the river dry-footed on fixed ropes and finally the last man unties the ropes and wades, being belayed from the opposite bank.
Mark Berelekhis (asker) May 13, 2011:
Kamilw, thank you very much, this is very informative. The only additional context available is that all women had to remain dry during the crossing, but men didn't. Does that help?
kamilw May 13, 2011:
In theory a rappel in the proper sense would be possible if one bank was much higher than the other :)
When it comes to river crossings using some kind of climbing gear, except a simple belayed crossing and a Tyrolean there is also a so called commando bridge, with two ropes, one above the other, one for hands and the other for feet. So without context we know nothing. It may be safest to write "to set up/fix/rig a crossing using climbing gear".
The Misha May 13, 2011:
@kamilw Hey, nothing to be sorry about. That's precisely what we seem to be after here, technical knowledge. I am definitely not a climber, unless climbing out of bed in the morning counts. Cheers!
kamilw May 13, 2011:
We don't actually know if they set up a Tyrolean crossing (in the air) or just an ordinary belayed crossing, where you wade or even swim across the river being belayed by your partner(s) and the rope from one or both sides. Fixing a Tyrolean requires one man to wade across the river first anyway. Tyrolean is a much more complicated thing and only makes sense when the banks are high and vertical or otherwise difficult to access, or at least there are suitable trees on both banks. I would guess they just made a belayed crossing. Are there any more clues about the terrain, what the river looked like etc?

Proposed translations

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rope bridge

to set up/rig/fix a rope bridge
as in the discussion

I would avoid the noun 'to build' cos it could suggest a full-fledged rope bridge instead of a simple one like in my examples.

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Note added at 1 day21 hrs (2011-05-14 20:46:05 GMT)
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verb, not noun, of course! :)
Peer comment(s):
agree cyhul
3 days 5 hrs
thanks!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, everyone!"
28 mins

They finally came to the river they had to rappel across

I think you can say that if you don't find anything more technical. Cheers!
Peer comment(s):
neutral kamilw : I know the term "rappel across the river" is sometimes used but imho incorrectly - rappel (abseil) is a different thing, it means getting down the cliff using a fixed rope. // Sorry, maybe I'm getting too technical cos I'm a climber :)
9 hrs
Thanks for your comment. I am fully aware of what this word means. My answer is based strictly on lay usage, whether correct or not, hence the disclaimer of in the absence of "anything more technical".
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tyrolean crossing/tyrolean traverse

The trekking tour to the Torre Glacier is a demanding circuit that keeps spectacular surprises, from going across the river on a Tyrolean crossing to walking on ice and practicing climbing.

http://www.welcomeargentina.com/elchalten/trekking-torre-gla...

Tyrolean Traverse
Alpinist crossing the Fitz Roy river with a tyrolean crossing.

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-20...
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8 hrs

mounted crossing

не нахожу английские технические данные, поэтому мой вариант описательный:
mounted crossing above the river made of tight ropes
в туристическом лагере у нас это называлось "навесная переправа"
ниже ссылка с несколькими фото для "river crossing by rope", правда, не все они альпинистские) и описание и схема самой системы (к сожалению, только на русском).
А на практике навесная переправа - это здорово!

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Note added at 18 час (2011-05-13 16:59:27 GMT)
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http://nkosterev.narod.ru/met/nav_per/per_na9.jpg

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Note added at 18 час (2011-05-13 17:01:14 GMT)
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http://nkosterev.narod.ru/met/nav_per/


Reference:

http://tubler.co.cc/river-crossing-by-rope.html

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://nkosterev.narod.ru/met/nav_per/per_na9.jpg&imgrefurl=http://nkosterev.narod.ru/met/nav_per.html&h

Peer comment(s):
neutral kamilw : Mounted crossing sounds more like crossing the river on horseback to me... BTW навесная переправа from your pic looks like a Tyrolean.
12 hrs
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20 hrs

wading through (accross)

They had to find the shallowest place to cross the river and, if necessary, to use mounteneering equipment (ropes, etc.)
Example sentence:

XXX

Reference:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wading+through

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