Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
pré-document
English translation:
preliminary document (pre-document)
Added to glossary by
Johannes Gleim
Oct 3, 2023 11:15
9 mos ago
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French term
France
FR/AR-EN, broad range of domains
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, Arabic to English, Italian to English
pré-document
French to English
Bus/Financial
Manufacturing
invitation to tender
This text specifies the requirements that a potential supplier of primary packaging, for cosmetics, is expected to comply with.
One section states the aesthetic requirements, and lists how the client might express the desired effect. Decorations might be expressed by means of 'un pré-document ou une zone à décorer'.
I consider this use of the 'pré-' prefix non-standard before a noun, and merely translating it with the equivalent prefix will be unhelpful to an English-speaking audience. Would anyone see a problem with 'preliminary document'?
One section states the aesthetic requirements, and lists how the client might express the desired effect. Decorations might be expressed by means of 'un pré-document ou une zone à décorer'.
I consider this use of the 'pré-' prefix non-standard before a noun, and merely translating it with the equivalent prefix will be unhelpful to an English-speaking audience. Would anyone see a problem with 'preliminary document'?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +2 | preliminary document (pre-document) |
Johannes Gleim
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| 4 | first draft; preliminary (decorative) blueprint |
Adrian MM.
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| 3 +1 | dummy text |
Bourth
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References
| no problem for me |
liz askew
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Change log
Oct 26, 2023 09:39: Johannes Gleim Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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1 hr
Johannes Gleim
Specializes in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
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preliminary document (pre-document)
A lot of results for both terms:
"preliminary document" "Approx. 225,000 results (0.36 seconds)
"pre-document" Approx. 38,300 results (0.34 seconds)
Create Invoice from Preliminary Document (SAP Business One)
https://sap-b1-blog.com/en/glossary/invoice-create-out-vouch...
Tender Documents | PA.pdf | Digital Signature | PRELIMINARY DOCUMENT
https://etenders.kerala.gov.in/nicgep/app?component=$DirectL...
This document is the confidential and proprietary information of SYNISE Technologies Limited. This is a preliminary document and may be changed substantially prior to final commercial release.
https://eprocurement.synise.com/secure/rfqupload/TMC_Bidder_...
However, based on a preliminary document review, it may or may not be minimally taught in the credential programs.
https://scholarworks.lib.csusb.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic...
preliminary document means a document which has been lodged with the Authority and is issued for the purpose of determining the appropriate issue or sale price of, and the number of, interests or units of interests in a trust or proposed trust to be issued or sold and which contains the information required to be included in a prospectus under sections [243] except for such information as may be prescribed by the Authority;
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/preliminary-document
Document préliminaire No 11 de juin 2006 à l’intention du Conseil d’avril 2007 sur les affaires générales et la politique de la Conférence
Preliminary Document No 11 of June 2006 for the attention of the Council of April 2007 on General Affairs and Policy of the Conference
https://assets.hcch.net/docs/b8be1cb6-e8b7-4f5b-8ecc-45a985f...
Etihad starts pre-document review
https://aviation.direct/en/etihad-starts-checking-documents-...
AIC: Do you believe there are advantages to pre-submission of information?
HR: I am a strong supporter of pre-document submission ahead of the audit.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
4.2 Pre-Document Closing Actions. Except as otherwise expressly contemplated herein or taken with the written consent of each Investor, prior to the Document Closing, Sponsor shall not permit or cause any Project Entity to (i) conduct any business other than business related to the development, construction, financing, ownership and operation of the Project or the Other Projects, as applicable,
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1471443/000119312511...
CA in the pre-document has presented the technical specifications for position
1 respectively the control of the GNSS antenna
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
This was the pre-document before it was edited and revised (different factions came into play during this)
https://www.studocu.com/en-us/document/university-of-texas-a...
What is a proforma invoice?
A proforma invoice is what comes before the actual invoice. It is a "pre-document " containing the projected amounts of a project.
https://www.answers.com/Q/When_is_a_pro_forma_invoice_given_...
Benefit from Pre-Document -Review Organization and Classifications
The RE suite of software products accelerates the protocol and timing of document review, and therefore has allowed it to become more dynamic and informed.
https://www.rationalenterprise.com/wordpress/wp-content/uplo...
"preliminary document" "Approx. 225,000 results (0.36 seconds)
"pre-document" Approx. 38,300 results (0.34 seconds)
Create Invoice from Preliminary Document (SAP Business One)
https://sap-b1-blog.com/en/glossary/invoice-create-out-vouch...
Tender Documents | PA.pdf | Digital Signature | PRELIMINARY DOCUMENT
https://etenders.kerala.gov.in/nicgep/app?component=$DirectL...
This document is the confidential and proprietary information of SYNISE Technologies Limited. This is a preliminary document and may be changed substantially prior to final commercial release.
https://eprocurement.synise.com/secure/rfqupload/TMC_Bidder_...
However, based on a preliminary document review, it may or may not be minimally taught in the credential programs.
https://scholarworks.lib.csusb.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic...
preliminary document means a document which has been lodged with the Authority and is issued for the purpose of determining the appropriate issue or sale price of, and the number of, interests or units of interests in a trust or proposed trust to be issued or sold and which contains the information required to be included in a prospectus under sections [243] except for such information as may be prescribed by the Authority;
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/preliminary-document
Document préliminaire No 11 de juin 2006 à l’intention du Conseil d’avril 2007 sur les affaires générales et la politique de la Conférence
Preliminary Document No 11 of June 2006 for the attention of the Council of April 2007 on General Affairs and Policy of the Conference
https://assets.hcch.net/docs/b8be1cb6-e8b7-4f5b-8ecc-45a985f...
Etihad starts pre-document review
https://aviation.direct/en/etihad-starts-checking-documents-...
AIC: Do you believe there are advantages to pre-submission of information?
HR: I am a strong supporter of pre-document submission ahead of the audit.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
4.2 Pre-Document Closing Actions. Except as otherwise expressly contemplated herein or taken with the written consent of each Investor, prior to the Document Closing, Sponsor shall not permit or cause any Project Entity to (i) conduct any business other than business related to the development, construction, financing, ownership and operation of the Project or the Other Projects, as applicable,
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1471443/000119312511...
CA in the pre-document has presented the technical specifications for position
1 respectively the control of the GNSS antenna
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
This was the pre-document before it was edited and revised (different factions came into play during this)
https://www.studocu.com/en-us/document/university-of-texas-a...
What is a proforma invoice?
A proforma invoice is what comes before the actual invoice. It is a "pre-document " containing the projected amounts of a project.
https://www.answers.com/Q/When_is_a_pro_forma_invoice_given_...
Benefit from Pre-Document -Review Organization and Classifications
The RE suite of software products accelerates the protocol and timing of document review, and therefore has allowed it to become more dynamic and informed.
https://www.rationalenterprise.com/wordpress/wp-content/uplo...
Note from asker:
| Thank you for your extensive research and your approval of 'preliminary document' |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
first draft; preliminary (decorative) blueprint
I agree with a non-standard use.
Though a Larousse no-show, it is now a 'legit' term by being used, but possibly not for the first time in corporate jargon.
Prelim. doc. begs the question of preliminary to what ?
Also in the frame are:
1. A pre-contractual memorandum (e.g. evidence of a contract and not always properly understood as such by ProZ regulars who, of course, will eschew the schoolboy howler of a 'document for use in a meadow') and
2. a prelim. blueprint
Though a Larousse no-show, it is now a 'legit' term by being used, but possibly not for the first time in corporate jargon.
Prelim. doc. begs the question of preliminary to what ?
Also in the frame are:
1. A pre-contractual memorandum (e.g. evidence of a contract and not always properly understood as such by ProZ regulars who, of course, will eschew the schoolboy howler of a 'document for use in a meadow') and
2. a prelim. blueprint
Example sentence:
Check out our blueprint decor selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our prints shops.
Note from asker:
| Thank you as always for your enlightenment |
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1 hr
dummy text
Lorem ipsum ...
https://www.lipsum.com/
[and note their plea for assistance: Translations: Can you help translate this site into a foreign language ? Please email us with details if you can help.]
This might be pushing your 'pré-' back into the time immemorial of documentary preparation.
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Some examples of lorem ipsum dummy text in packaging.
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A search string like [ "dummy text" OR "lorem ipsum" packaging graphics layout ] works wonders.
https://www.lipsum.com/
[and note their plea for assistance: Translations: Can you help translate this site into a foreign language ? Please email us with details if you can help.]
This might be pushing your 'pré-' back into the time immemorial of documentary preparation.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2023-10-03 13:25:10 GMT)
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Some examples of lorem ipsum dummy text in packaging.
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Note added at 12 hrs (2023-10-03 23:52:25 GMT)
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A search string like [ "dummy text" OR "lorem ipsum" packaging graphics layout ] works wonders.
Note from asker:
| An interesting interpretation, and entirely possible |
| I like the style of your first image - do you have a link for others in the same style? |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Kim Metzger
: Makes sense.
9 hrs
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| neutral |
philgoddard
: Maybe, but you need French references.
1 day 1 hr
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| neutral |
Mpoma
: Ohhh! This is so elegant I really want it to be true. But I share Phil's view, and having g'd "pré-document" it doesn't seem to stack up. I think it's more prosaic.
1 day 5 hrs
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Reference comments
24 mins
Discussion
Also, what do you mean by "decorations might be expressed"? Described in text, shown in a picture, or something else?
I think "prototype" would be too technical-sounding, but that depends on what the product is.