French term
accréditer leur ministère
4 +3 | give credit to their calling | Bourth |
4 +3 | lend credibility to their ministry | philgoddard |
3 | show (shew) proof of their ministry | Adrian MM. |
4 -3 | "accredit their ministry" | | ChatGPT | |
Proposed translations
give credit to their calling
Duluth Evening Herald, October 23, 1907
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Note added at 4 hrs (2023-11-14 13:35:16 GMT)
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Calling / ministry
To my mind (obviously) a religious 'calling' is as near as damn it to 'ministry' as my atheist soul is (from a believer's point of view) to purgatory.
https://sbccalled.com/the-call-to-ministry/
https://www.apuritansmind.com/pastors-study/what-is-a-call-t...
https://careynieuwhof.com/why-its-time-to-rethink-what-it-me...
Le ministère dans le christianisme est le service qu'un croyant ou une croyante accomplit selon un appel particulier de Dieu pour l'Église et la mission.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministère_(christianisme)
"The Church of England defines the ministry of priests as follows:
Priests are called to be servants and shepherds among the people to whom they are sent. With their Bishop and fellow ministers, they are to proclaim the word of the Lord and to watch for the signs of God's new creation. […] Depending on the denomination, the requirements for ministry vary. All denominations require the minister to have a vocation, a sense of calling. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_(Christianity)
"A calling, in the religious sense of the word, is a religious vocation (which comes from the Latin for "call") that may be professional or voluntary and, idiosyncratic to different religions, may come from another person, from a divine messenger, or from within oneself."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_calling
merci beaucoup Monsieur ! |
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liz askew
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writeaway
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philgoddard
: Surely calling is not the same as ministry.//Calling is 'appel', as your examples show. Ministry theoretically means looking after people - though in the case of missionaries it often means making a nuisance of yourself.
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See my added comment above.
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Rachel Fell
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Emmanuella
: L'appel de Dieu ( passivité) Ministère ( exige de prêcher = activité)
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Yvonne Gallagher
: really don't see how any of this works. "Calling" =vocation. "Ministry" is the activity involved in this vocation
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"accredit their ministry"
- Their remarkable results helped to accredit their ministry among the local community.
- The positive feedback from people attending their sermons greatly accredited their ministry.
- The support of influential figures helped to accredit their ministry on a broader scale.
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liz askew
: no hits for this, also this is AI -generated
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Bourth
: Blindly believing AI is like blindly believing politicians.
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Adrian MM.
: it's paradoxical that opponents of AI - artificial intelligence or absolute idiocy use a dearth of AI-generated g/hits as an argument or crutch,
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SafeTex
: Proz misuses ChatGTP. Please see my remark in the discussion
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Yvonne Gallagher
: "accredit" is clearly wrong
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show (shew) proof of their ministry
Proof is evidence. Provide sufficient evidence to men and demons that you did not send yourself. 3. To justify your abandonment of other pursuits of life. To make full proof of Ministry is to justify the reason why you left your profession to preach the G
http://search.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/other/615409-christian-ministry.html
http://ww.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/lend-credence-to
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Emmanuella
: https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/accréditer#:~:text=− Accrédi...
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lend credibility to their ministry
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Emmanuella
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Nicole Acher
: Ministry is a good choice here, and "lend credibility to" is a better translation than "accredit" in this case
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Yvonne Gallagher
: yes to "ministry". Not so sure about the rest though certainly better than alternatives
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Discussion
J'essaie d'expliquer la différence entre 'appel' (calling) proposé et expliqué en long et en large par Bourth et 'ministère'( ministry cf. commentaire de Phil).
Pour la vidéo , seule la légende importe ( reconnaitre l'appel pour votre ministère)
P.S https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/accréditer#:~:text=− Accrédi...
Can you please explain to me how these references help? They are about ministries but what sentence or paragraph are we meant to look at? And one of them is a video so at what timestamp is it relevant?
Thanks
If i've understood correctly, an asker can request a suggestion from ChatGPT but the entire sentence is not feed into ChatGPT, only the word or phrase requested by the asker.
This is a fundamental flaw in Proz as you cannot use or judge ChatGPT this way. It should be prompted with the context and given the entire segment. If you do this, ChatGPT 3.5 proposes:
The idea that these Missionaries gave of their ability greatly helped to ***establish their ministry*** and to make the Religion they preached respected.
In this case, the proposed answer if far closer to other answers, although I don't think ChatGPT's answer is the best in this case.
Just for your info
Appel ( de Dieu) / Ministère
Ministère pastoral féminin
https://www.gotquestions.org/Francais/femmes-pasteurs.html
Ministère de Jésus
https://www.thehopeproject.com/fr/guide-detude/9-le-minister...
Ministère du Pape
https://www.persee.fr/doc/thlou_0080-2654_2006_num_37_1_3489