May 18, 2023 18:01
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German term
Spain
FR/DE - EN translator and proofreader
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, German to English
Zapfen
German to English
Tech/Engineering
Mechanics / Mech Engineering
Schrauben mit einem Kraftangriff weisen üblicherweise einen Zapfen auf, der zum verbesserten Halt des Betätigungswerkzeugs in der Schraube dient.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | pin |
Schtroumpf
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| 5 | dog point |
Johannes Gleim
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| 4 | Spigot |
Andrew Bramhall
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Proposed translations
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Zuerst sah die Frage so aus, als ginge es um einen Zapfen irgendwo auf der Schraube. Dafür hätte dieses Glossar die Lösung "trunnion screw" angeboten:
https://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/deutsch-englisch/Schraube".html
Inzwischen scheint es aber eher, dass der Zapfen auf dem Schraubbit in ein Loch auf dem Schraubenkopf eingreift?
"Pin" bzw. center pin scheint in jedem Fall für einen solchen Zapfen, der der sicheren Führung dient, die naheliegendste Idee. S. z.B.:
"What is the difference between Torx and security Torx?
What is a Security Torx Screwdriver? Security Torx, or tamper proof Torx screwdriver bits have the exact same exterior shape as regular Torx or Star screwdriver bits, but have ***a small hole drilled in the end to accept the small pin*** located in the center of security Torx screws."
https://www.google.de/search?q="Torx bit with pin"&ei=y0lnZP...
"Early uses of Torx included as security screw heads, reliant solely on being an uncommon driver type. However, as the drive gained popularity, other drives were invented to fill this role. One design features a “center pin reject,” known as Security Torx, Tamper-Resistant Torx, or pin-in Torx."
https://fastenerengineering.com/what-is-a-torx-screw/
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Note added at 16 Stunden (2023-05-19 10:26:05 GMT)
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Ansonsten ist "pin" auch für den Zapfen auf dem Schraubenkopf gebräuchlich - sehr schön zu sehen auf diesem Bild:
https://www.bossard.com/eshop/za-en/screws-and-bolts-with-in...
https://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/deutsch-englisch/Schraube".html
Inzwischen scheint es aber eher, dass der Zapfen auf dem Schraubbit in ein Loch auf dem Schraubenkopf eingreift?
"Pin" bzw. center pin scheint in jedem Fall für einen solchen Zapfen, der der sicheren Führung dient, die naheliegendste Idee. S. z.B.:
"What is the difference between Torx and security Torx?
What is a Security Torx Screwdriver? Security Torx, or tamper proof Torx screwdriver bits have the exact same exterior shape as regular Torx or Star screwdriver bits, but have ***a small hole drilled in the end to accept the small pin*** located in the center of security Torx screws."
https://www.google.de/search?q="Torx bit with pin"&ei=y0lnZP...
"Early uses of Torx included as security screw heads, reliant solely on being an uncommon driver type. However, as the drive gained popularity, other drives were invented to fill this role. One design features a “center pin reject,” known as Security Torx, Tamper-Resistant Torx, or pin-in Torx."
https://fastenerengineering.com/what-is-a-torx-screw/
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Note added at 16 Stunden (2023-05-19 10:26:05 GMT)
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Ansonsten ist "pin" auch für den Zapfen auf dem Schraubenkopf gebräuchlich - sehr schön zu sehen auf diesem Bild:
https://www.bossard.com/eshop/za-en/screws-and-bolts-with-in...
Peer comment(s):
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Andrew Bramhall
: Too vaque and generalised without specifying the type of pin in your answer, i.e, ' cotter pin';//I know! purely by way of example;
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See above: the type is specified in "center pin" (although Zapfen is quite vague itself...). BTW cotter pins are completely different from pins.
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Kim Metzger
: Pin would work too.
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Thank you, Kim!
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Johannes Gleim
: Ich kenne Tamper Torx sehr gut, die verhindert, dass Benutzer unerlaubte Eingriffe in Geräte vornehmen und sich dadurch gefährden. Da Johathan diese Antwort wählte, handelt es sich tatsächlich um "Zapfen", der auf Deutsch "Stift" genannt wird.
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Wie bereits in der Diskussion erwähnt: Ich habe keine "implizite Frage" gerstellt, sondern lese aus dem Text heraus, dass wir vom Schraubenkopf sprechen. Schön, dass Sie inzwischen auch zu dieser Interpretation zu tendieren scheinen.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
1 hr
Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Flair and accuracy tailored to your text
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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4
Spigot
Screws with a power grip usually have a spigot which serves to improve the hold of the operating tool in the screw:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spigot_(disambiguation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spigot_(disambiguation)
Peer comment(s):
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Johannes Gleim
: Automatic translation! The disambiguation page does not support the answer. A "spigot" is used to seal wine casks.
2 hrs
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"There are more things in heaven and earth than in thy philosophy, Horatio".
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Kim Metzger
: English speakers know there are many more meanings of "spigot" than only something to seal wine caskets. In this case were talking about the screw and the tool that fastens the screw. Sort of a spigot or tenon on the end of the screw and the hex key.
3 hrs
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Exactly Kim, thank you !
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4 hrs
Johannes Gleim
Native in German
Works in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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410
dog point
Fassadenbauschrauben mit Zapfen, m. SHB-Dicht 16 mm, ST, 6,3x45, A2
https://keller-kalmbach.de/produkte/verbindungselemente/schr...
Sechskant-Schrauben mit Zapfen DIN 561B-8.8 vgs
Festigkeitsklasse: 8.8
Schaft: ohne Schaft
Kopfform: Sechskantkopf
Werkstoff: Stahl
Oberfläche: vergütungsschwarz
Norm DIN: 561 B
Antrieb: Sechskant
https://www.sfs.ch/de/Befestigungstechnik/Metrische-Schraube...
Zapfen m / ~ (Schraubenende nach DIN 918) dog point
(Dictionary of Exact Science and Technology, German-English, 220,000 entries)
M4 x 20mm Dog Point Set / Grub Screws (DIN 915) - A2 Stainless Steel: Accu.co.uk: Precision Screws
https://accu-components.com/de/hund-punkt-schrauben/5175-SSD...
HEXAGON SOCKET SET SCREW WITH DOG POINT DIN 915 STAINLESS STEEL A2 M6X10
https://www.fabory.com/en/hexagon-socket-set-screw-with-dog-...
HEXAGON SET SCREWS WITH SMALL HEXAGON HALF DOG POINT AND FLAT CONE POINT
https://www.pasvahl.de/DIN564-Hexagon-set-screws-with-small-...
SET SCREW INTERNAL HEXAGON AND DOG POINT
https://eshop.wuerth.de/Product-categories/Set-screw-interna...
Dog point prevents cross threading
A new screw uses a special tip and thread form start that eliminates cross threading
The ‘MAThread’ screw from Arnold Umformtechnik has a ‘dog point’ that ensures optimum feed into the application. MAThread is a US company that holds the patents on a screw thread design that ends in a special section that forces the screw and hole helices to align every time, regardless of how the screw is put into the hole. The end starts with the ‘dog point’ after which the thread starts as a cam profile prior to the commencement of the thread form.
https://www.eurekamagazine.co.uk/content/technology/dog-poin...
https://keller-kalmbach.de/produkte/verbindungselemente/schr...
Sechskant-Schrauben mit Zapfen DIN 561B-8.8 vgs
Festigkeitsklasse: 8.8
Schaft: ohne Schaft
Kopfform: Sechskantkopf
Werkstoff: Stahl
Oberfläche: vergütungsschwarz
Norm DIN: 561 B
Antrieb: Sechskant
https://www.sfs.ch/de/Befestigungstechnik/Metrische-Schraube...
Zapfen m / ~ (Schraubenende nach DIN 918) dog point
(Dictionary of Exact Science and Technology, German-English, 220,000 entries)
M4 x 20mm Dog Point Set / Grub Screws (DIN 915) - A2 Stainless Steel: Accu.co.uk: Precision Screws
https://accu-components.com/de/hund-punkt-schrauben/5175-SSD...
HEXAGON SOCKET SET SCREW WITH DOG POINT DIN 915 STAINLESS STEEL A2 M6X10
https://www.fabory.com/en/hexagon-socket-set-screw-with-dog-...
HEXAGON SET SCREWS WITH SMALL HEXAGON HALF DOG POINT AND FLAT CONE POINT
https://www.pasvahl.de/DIN564-Hexagon-set-screws-with-small-...
SET SCREW INTERNAL HEXAGON AND DOG POINT
https://eshop.wuerth.de/Product-categories/Set-screw-interna...
Dog point prevents cross threading
A new screw uses a special tip and thread form start that eliminates cross threading
The ‘MAThread’ screw from Arnold Umformtechnik has a ‘dog point’ that ensures optimum feed into the application. MAThread is a US company that holds the patents on a screw thread design that ends in a special section that forces the screw and hole helices to align every time, regardless of how the screw is put into the hole. The end starts with the ‘dog point’ after which the thread starts as a cam profile prior to the commencement of the thread form.
https://www.eurekamagazine.co.uk/content/technology/dog-poin...
Peer comment(s):
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Mair A-W (PhD)
: I thought we were not talking about wine, and yet all I find is https://www.winedirect.co.uk/winery/dog-point
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No, we're talking about screws here, not wine. But that doesn't stop inventors from using similar expressions. In this case, "dog point" was chosen for a screw tip, patented and is therefore a valid name, as the well known "Torx" screw head.
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Andrew Bramhall
: Agree with the above comments. Never heard the term. And there is no point in supplying a supporting link in which 'Dog Point' is the name of a vineyard.
9 hrs
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Never having heard of something is not an argument. Apart from that, the "dog point" was patented for a screw tip.
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Schtroumpf
: Wie viel Vertrauen darf man zu diesen Hund-Punkt-Schrauben haben? S. https://accu-components.com/de/40-hund-punkt-schrauben?page=...
2 days 15 hrs
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Why not? Er hat einen Zapfen an der Schraubenspitze.
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Discussion
Honestly I could not believe my eyes, it's beyond understanding. Rules for thee, not for me.
Und ich habe selbstverständlich keinerlei implizite Frage gestellt, das ist nur wieder eine Ihrer Zuschreibungen.
Nach Ihren letzten drei Posts wäre es doch naheliegend, dass Sie einfach mal einem Kollegen zustimmen, der schon lange eine gute Lösung vorgeschlagen hat. Aber das fällt Ihnen offensichtlich immer wieder schwer...
Siehe dazu meinen letzten Link "Dog point prevents cross threading"
Sollte es sich bei der genannten Schraube um eine "Tamper Torx"-Schraube handeln, wie Schtroumpf vermutet, so wäre dies ein "pin" im Schraubenantrieb.
Your "spigot" link shows a "ball point" but not a spigot on a tool as stated.
Your tenon link shows a mortise-and-tenon joint, which does not fit the given context because they are normally not screwed but glued.
And Jonathan's added context describes a "Zapfen" on a tool, but not on the screw quoted in the context.
Beste Grüße allseits zum langen Wochenende!
So both the screw and the fastening tool have Zapfen (spigot/tenon{
If it were a Sechskant-Schraube, all you would need to fasten it, would be a simple open-end wrench.
A dog point screw is an industrial fastener that can hold more than one object in place, securely. They are often used to guide parts into holes that have already been drilled and incorporate a flat tip. https://www.patternfasteners.co.uk/products/dog-point-screw/...
The ‘MAThread’ screw from Arnold Umformtechnik has a ‘dog point’ that ensures optimum feed into the application. ... The end starts with the ‘dog point’ after which the thread starts as a cam profile prior to the commencement of the thread form. https://www.eurekamagazine.co.uk/content/technology/dog-poin...
Dog point set screws are a type of socket set screw that comes in two-point styles: full dog point and half dog point. Both are characterized by their protruding tip and are designed to lock inside a machined hole or slot, or flat against a shaft as a permanent setting. Half dog point set screws have a shorter tip compared to their full dog counterpart to work in applications with limited clearance. https://www.empirebolt.com/socket-screws/dog-point#1