May 2, 2012 22:34
12 yrs ago
Spanish term
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Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English
pactos cruzados
Spanish to English
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History
indigenous peoples
Could anyone help me with this term please?
The context is: El Estado chileno comenzó a ocupar territorios mapuche, desconociendo los tratados y utilizando múltiples estrategias para separar la cohesión indígena, desde pactos cruzados entre pueblos para generar la desconfianza, hasta la entrega desmedida de alcohol e incursiones armadas.
Hope someone can shed some light on 'pactos cruzados' in English please? I know about unilateral, bilateral, multilateral, but
this appears to be different.
Thanks in advance
Yehigh
The context is: El Estado chileno comenzó a ocupar territorios mapuche, desconociendo los tratados y utilizando múltiples estrategias para separar la cohesión indígena, desde pactos cruzados entre pueblos para generar la desconfianza, hasta la entrega desmedida de alcohol e incursiones armadas.
Hope someone can shed some light on 'pactos cruzados' in English please? I know about unilateral, bilateral, multilateral, but
this appears to be different.
Thanks in advance
Yehigh
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +7 | conflicting agreements |
Robert Forstag
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| 5 | cross agreements |
Sergio Gaymer
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| 4 | conniving pacts |
Richard Hill
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Proposed translations
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1 hr
Robert Forstag
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Translating words, preserving meaning
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
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103
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conflicting agreements
"Contradictory agreements" or "deliberately contradictory [or conflicting] agreements" could work also. I believe that either of these alternatives are more idiomatic than the choices thus far offered.
Suerte.
Suerte.
Note from asker:
| Thanks Robert, great suggestions! I hadn't considered that option at all...it seems to make the text more understandable. Much appreciated! |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
4 mins
Sergio Gaymer
Chile
Chile
Native in Spanish
Works in field
Chile
Over 25 years translating technical docs
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
cross agreements
hope this helps
Note from asker:
| I agree with this and have found some examples on the net related to business in industry. So I'll go with your suggestion. Thanks for your rapid response Sergio!! |
11 mins
conniving pacts
An option
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Note added at 13 mins (2012-05-02 22:47:43 GMT)
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or agreement of course.
Adj. 1. conniving - acting together in secret toward a fraudulent or illegal end
collusive
covert - secret or hidden; not openly practiced or engaged in or shown or avowed; "covert actions by the CIA"; "covert funding for the rebels"
2. conniving - used of persons; "the most calculating and selfish men in the community"
calculating, calculative, scheming, shrewd
hard - dispassionate; "took a hard look"; "a hard bargainer";
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/connive
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Note added at 17 mins (2012-05-02 22:51:44 GMT)
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And in 1939, the next year, when Hitler poured in his armies from the west, by secret, conniving agreement, Stalin poured in his red hoards from the east.
http://www.wacriswell.org/PrintTranscript.cfm?SID=2131
Backstabbing could work too.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-05-03 00:41:09 GMT)
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Robert's answer is fine. In fact it was my first thought; I just decided to take it a step further in light of the context. i.e. the State made conflict-provoking pacts/agreements among different peoples. But yeah, nothing wrong with "conflicting agreements" (the term that is)!
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Note added at 13 mins (2012-05-02 22:47:43 GMT)
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or agreement of course.
Adj. 1. conniving - acting together in secret toward a fraudulent or illegal end
collusive
covert - secret or hidden; not openly practiced or engaged in or shown or avowed; "covert actions by the CIA"; "covert funding for the rebels"
2. conniving - used of persons; "the most calculating and selfish men in the community"
calculating, calculative, scheming, shrewd
hard - dispassionate; "took a hard look"; "a hard bargainer";
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/connive
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Note added at 17 mins (2012-05-02 22:51:44 GMT)
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And in 1939, the next year, when Hitler poured in his armies from the west, by secret, conniving agreement, Stalin poured in his red hoards from the east.
http://www.wacriswell.org/PrintTranscript.cfm?SID=2131
Backstabbing could work too.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-05-03 00:41:09 GMT)
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Robert's answer is fine. In fact it was my first thought; I just decided to take it a step further in light of the context. i.e. the State made conflict-provoking pacts/agreements among different peoples. But yeah, nothing wrong with "conflicting agreements" (the term that is)!
Note from asker:
| Thanks Rich, I agree with the idea that this was a conniving and backstabbing way of doing things, so it could work too, but my feeling is that cross agreement is a formally used term in some areas, eg. between corporations. Appreciate your input and prompt reply!! |
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