| Pages in topic: [1 2 3 4] > | Are you managing to use AI in your work, to your benefit and the benefit of your clients? Thread poster: Henry Dotterer
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Are you managing to use AI (like ChatGPT or other similar tools) in your work, to your benefit? Or not? Please share details, if you care to.
(I'm asking about cases where confidentiality is not a concern and there are no client restrictions against the use of AI.)
Also, if you have decided of your own accord (and not because of any confidentiality concerns), not to use any AI tools, I would be interested to hear your reasons.
| | | | | Helpful to assist on technical vocabulary research and studies | Oct 13, 2023 |
I think that artificial intelligence can assist us in understanding some very technical expressions and acronyms, especially those that should or should not be translated. In other words, as a research tool.
| | | | Mr. Satan (X)
English to Indonesian
I'll just copy-paste my previous post in another thread (which, as I'm writing this, is still not being approved). For the record, I do consider NMT as a form of AI.
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IMHO, using ChatGPT and co. to translate is like using a chainsaw to slice a steak. Sure, you can do that if you wanted to. But that seems a tad overkill, don't you think?
This is not to say I'm anti-AI/LLM/MT/robot/automation. In fact, I've been using Brave AI as a research assistant, and... See more I'll just copy-paste my previous post in another thread (which, as I'm writing this, is still not being approved). For the record, I do consider NMT as a form of AI.
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IMHO, using ChatGPT and co. to translate is like using a chainsaw to slice a steak. Sure, you can do that if you wanted to. But that seems a tad overkill, don't you think?
This is not to say I'm anti-AI/LLM/MT/robot/automation. In fact, I've been using Brave AI as a research assistant, and I've been experimenting with Whisper to create verbatim audio transcripts for subtitling. What I'm trying to say, is to use the right tool for the right job. MT still sucks for colloquialisms, so I'm not using it. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Would this involve buying a paid plan to get the most out of it? | Oct 13, 2023 |
Then thanks, but no thank you. Plus, the ultimate benefit that a lot of people are talking about seems to be the ability to look through multiple term choices as you type. Do they come in the form of dropdown lists? I hate those; when Trados gives me those lists of varying lengths and I have to reach for the down key to navigate and then reach for Enter, I often just keep typing: this setup is annoying. Why do I have to study lists being thrown at me by a thing with no brain when I have most of ... See more Then thanks, but no thank you. Plus, the ultimate benefit that a lot of people are talking about seems to be the ability to look through multiple term choices as you type. Do they come in the form of dropdown lists? I hate those; when Trados gives me those lists of varying lengths and I have to reach for the down key to navigate and then reach for Enter, I often just keep typing: this setup is annoying. Why do I have to study lists being thrown at me by a thing with no brain when I have most of the correct term choices in my head? ▲ Collapse
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| Thanks, Claudia | Oct 13, 2023 |
Claudia Grigolon wrote:
I think that artificial intelligence can assist us in understanding some very technical expressions and acronyms, especially those that should or should not be translated. In other words, as a research tool.
Thanks, Claudia. If you care to share: Have you been having discussions with ChatGPT about technical terms and acronyms? What sorts of prompts do you use?
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It might be a good idea for you to address the concerns of a majority of posters here about ProZ’s how inclusion of AI on KudoZ. It has been less than warmly received. Many feel ProZ should be supporting translators at this time.
| | | | | AI is a tool | Oct 13, 2023 |
Ice Scream wrote:
It might be a good idea for you to address the concerns of a majority of posters here about ProZ’s how inclusion of AI on KudoZ. It has been less than warmly received. Many feel ProZ should be supporting translators at this time.
As everyone knows, ProZ is and always has been on the side of the translator. AI is a tool. (As Mr. Satan said, "use the right tool for the right job".) Introducing ChatGPT into the KudoZ help network (and paying the bill for that) is, apart from being a bit of fun, a way for ProZ to help direct some of the power of AI to the benefit of our people: the linguists.
| | | | | Lack of precision | Oct 13, 2023 |
Dear Henri, Your question refers to the AI without further clarification. Every personal computer user has been using AI for as long as such tools have existed. So, yes, I use AI on a daily basis as a translator and also as an individual. But if you're thinking of a certain kind of AI, the answer is obviously no.Could you be more specific about what you mean by AI?
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Zea_Mays 
Italy
Local time: 01:23
English to German
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| Not sure we are talking about the same thing re Chatty in KudoZ... | Oct 13, 2023 |
Henry Dotterer wrote:
As everyone knows, ProZ is and always has been on the side of the translator. AI is a tool. (As Mr. Satan said, "use the right tool for the right job".) Introducing ChatGPT into the KudoZ help network (and paying the bill for that) is, apart from being a bit of fun, a way for ProZ to help direct some of the power of AI to the benefit of our people: the linguists.
Um ... did you happen to see the crap the tool produces and the many negative comments from linguists on that crap? The way it is integrated doesn't allow the tool to be used as it was designed for (it can't be integrated as such, as control over it is required of course). It could instead be used to take some paper work from us...
In KudoZ it is just used like a MT tool, but it delivers quite worse than GT or DeepL. Sorry, but it is not the right tool for the job.
Btw., the reason for its integration provided in the FAQ is rather offending for linguists.
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| | | | expressisverbis
Portugal
Local time: 00:23
Member (2015)
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| About fun, tools and help | Oct 13, 2023 |
Henry Dotterer wrote:
As everyone knows, ProZ is and always has been on the side of the translator. AI is a tool. (As Mr. Satan said, "use the right tool for the right job".) Introducing ChatGPT into the KudoZ help network (and paying the bill for that) is, apart from being a bit of fun, a way for ProZ to help direct some of the power of AI to the benefit of our people: the linguists.
Lately, I don't think Proz is on the translators' side. I'm sorry.
And this can be seen not only with ChatGPT implemented on Kudoz Help Network. There is also a large number of members not happy with the technical issues of the site, me included.
ChatGPT is a tool, it's true, but I believe its real purpose is not to provide Automatic Translation.
From what I've seen, DeepL, Language Weaver, and Modern MT manage to be much better than ChatGPT here (at least in my working language pairs).
As for the "fun" you mention, I'm sure the community isn't finding it very funny, and as for the help it can provide to linguists, I think it has the opposite effect.
One of the many definitions is that ChatGPT is an AI chatbot that uses natural language processing to answer questions in a humanlike dialogue.
If Proz had implemented it in this way, let's say for helping us to understand certain technical terms, acronyms, abbreviations etc., it might have had better results, i.e. more positive feedback from members.
Finally, it's worth remembering that ChatGPT integrated in Kudoz Help Network has the same "privileges" (or even more) than human translators.
Treating this chatbot almost as a human is hurting us while humans and professional translators.
Please understand that I'm not against AI or technology, I just think you've used it as the wrong tool for the wrong job here.
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| | | | Michele Fauble
United States
Local time: 17:23
Member (2006)
Norwegian to English
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expressisverbis wrote:
Lately, I don't think Proz is on the translators' side.
And if human translation goes the way of the dodo, where does that leave ProZ?
| | | | Holger Laux
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:23
Member (2011)
English to German
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| I never do MTPE | Oct 13, 2023 |
My approach is rather simple:
If you want to use MT, go ahead and use it. But don't bother a human translator with clearing up the mess it produces. If you want your translation done for free, that's fine. But you have to learn how to read the output.
If you want quality work done, ask a professional to do it and pay them.
But you can't have both, certainly not at a knockdown price!
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| I'm asking generally | Oct 13, 2023 |
Aurélien ARPAZ wrote:
Dear Henri, Your question refers to the AI without further clarification. Every personal computer user has been using AI for as long as such tools have existed. So, yes, I use AI on a daily basis as a translator and also as an individual. But if you're thinking of a certain kind of AI, the answer is obviously no.Could you be more specific about what you mean by AI?
By "AI", I meant what is commonly regarded as "AI" (and not MT). ChatGPT and the like, for example.
I asked in general terms to allow for a variety of responses, and I am getting the sort of responses I had hoped to get. I'm trying to assess the general sentiment and state of affairs.
As background, some people here have told me they are using AI and making (a lot) more money per hour as a result. Others have told me they would never use AI. Here, too, Mr. Satan mentions using particular tools for doing research and transcription, while Holger says "I never do MTPE."
So I find this interesting and informative. I hope other readers do, too!
| | | | | As go freelancers... | Oct 13, 2023 |
Michele Fauble wrote:
expressisverbis wrote:
Lately, I don't think Proz is on the translators' side.
And if human translation goes the way of the dodo, where does that leave ProZ?
Speaking of ProZ's business model, our customer is the linguist and we have no plans to change that. If translation and interpreting cease to be professions, that will probably be it for ProZ, too.
| | | | | Did you know? ChatGPT is a finalist in the translation contest (in some language pairs) | Oct 13, 2023 |
"From what I've seen, DeepL, Language Weaver, and Modern MT manage to be much better than ChatGPT here"
I don't doubt that that has been your experience, in your language, with the types of work you've tried it on. My personal experience (testing with Japanese, non-technical stuff) is different; for me, translations produced by ChatGPT (with sufficient context) are the best so far.
I wonder how many people here are aware that ChatGPT has qualified for the finals in seve... See more "From what I've seen, DeepL, Language Weaver, and Modern MT manage to be much better than ChatGPT here"
I don't doubt that that has been your experience, in your language, with the types of work you've tried it on. My personal experience (testing with Japanese, non-technical stuff) is different; for me, translations produced by ChatGPT (with sufficient context) are the best so far.
I wonder how many people here are aware that ChatGPT has qualified for the finals in several language pairs in the current translation contest. This has never happened before.
Is that scary? Sure. But if I am asked my opinion, I think that we, the professionals, should seek to wield the power of large language models to do the best work we can, as efficiently as we can, for the benefit of our clients and ourselves. Pretending these tools are not useful and capable in translation strikes me as disingenuous, and unlikely to lead to good outcomes for us as language professionals. ▲ Collapse
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