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Nov 27, 2011 23:12
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Spanish term
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panda
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Hello. This is from a text about the restoration of an old church. 'panda' refers to a side of the cloister, but I am wondering if there is a more technical term in English than 'side'.
"Partiendo del concepto de la adición, de cualidad masiva y estática, se ejecutan nuevos ámbitos - abiertos cuando son Patios y cubierto cuando es Pabellón- que se adosarán a la iglesia, no en su manifestación volumétrica, sino en forma de espacios ligeros y dinámicos, buscando la cualidad de la articulación en la prolongación de la linealidad sugerida por la panda huérfana del claustro."
Here's the monolingual Spanish definition: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda#Arquitectura
Thanks for your help
Simon
"Partiendo del concepto de la adición, de cualidad masiva y estática, se ejecutan nuevos ámbitos - abiertos cuando son Patios y cubierto cuando es Pabellón- que se adosarán a la iglesia, no en su manifestación volumétrica, sino en forma de espacios ligeros y dinámicos, buscando la cualidad de la articulación en la prolongación de la linealidad sugerida por la panda huérfana del claustro."
Here's the monolingual Spanish definition: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda#Arquitectura
Thanks for your help
Simon
Proposed translations
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| 4 +2 | ambulatory |
Yvonne Gallagher
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| 4 | walk |
Charles Davis
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| 4 | pane |
Nikki Graham
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| 2 +1 | gallery |
Taña Dalglish
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Taña Dalglish
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Dec 11, 2011 13:07: Yvonne Gallagher Created KOG entry
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Yvonne Gallagher
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ambulatory
Charles is right with a "walk" or "walkway". This another option
n. pl. am·bu·la·to·ries
A covered place for walking, as in a cloister.
www.thefreedictionary.com/ambulatory
Information about ambulatory in the free online English dictionary and ... Noun, 1. ambulatory - a covered walkway (as in a cloister); "it has an ambulatory and ...
oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Ambulatory
21 Jul 2010 – Ambulatory: A cloister, gallery, or alley; a sheltered place, straight or circular, for exercise in walking; the aisle that makes the circuit of the apse ...
www.flickr.com/photos/antmoose/42276489/
10 Sep 2005 – cloister ambulatory. A general view. The ambulatory was reinforced with full-height columns and vaults when an upper floor was added later ...
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sorry, didn't notice Nikki actually said this
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The cloister garth and ambulatory were taken down to the medieval surface and cleaned, with all ... Local Government and the Department of the Environment, Northern Ireland ...
www.excavations.ie/Pages/Details.php?Year=&County=... - Cached
A Dictionary of Architecture and Landscape Architecture | 2000 | JAMES STEVENS CURL | Copyright
cloister. Enclosed court, attached to a monastic or collegiate church, consisting of a roofed ambulatory, often (but not always) south of the nave and west of the transept, around an open area (garth), the walls (panes) facing the garth constructed with plain or traceried openings (sometimes glazed or shuttered). It served as a way of communication between different buildings (e.g. chapter-house, refectory), and was often equipped with carrels, seats, and a lavatorium in which to perform ablutions before entering the refectory. In basilican and Early Christian churches the cloister was at the west end, often with a fountain for washing in the garth, and was called an atrium, with one side either doubling as or leading to the narthex...
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/cloister.aspx#3
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as Nikki points out, "ambulatory" has two meanings. These are the walk within the cloister or around the (interior) walls of the church itself (making the circuit of the apse and in behind the altar), whereas "gallery" and "walkway" are very polysemous words so are not as exact in meaning in my opinion
n. pl. am·bu·la·to·ries
A covered place for walking, as in a cloister.
www.thefreedictionary.com/ambulatory
Information about ambulatory in the free online English dictionary and ... Noun, 1. ambulatory - a covered walkway (as in a cloister); "it has an ambulatory and ...
oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Ambulatory
21 Jul 2010 – Ambulatory: A cloister, gallery, or alley; a sheltered place, straight or circular, for exercise in walking; the aisle that makes the circuit of the apse ...
www.flickr.com/photos/antmoose/42276489/
10 Sep 2005 – cloister ambulatory. A general view. The ambulatory was reinforced with full-height columns and vaults when an upper floor was added later ...
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Note added at 46 mins (2011-11-27 23:58:46 GMT)
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sorry, didn't notice Nikki actually said this
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Note added at 14 hrs (2011-11-28 13:16:06 GMT)
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The cloister garth and ambulatory were taken down to the medieval surface and cleaned, with all ... Local Government and the Department of the Environment, Northern Ireland ...
www.excavations.ie/Pages/Details.php?Year=&County=... - Cached
A Dictionary of Architecture and Landscape Architecture | 2000 | JAMES STEVENS CURL | Copyright
cloister. Enclosed court, attached to a monastic or collegiate church, consisting of a roofed ambulatory, often (but not always) south of the nave and west of the transept, around an open area (garth), the walls (panes) facing the garth constructed with plain or traceried openings (sometimes glazed or shuttered). It served as a way of communication between different buildings (e.g. chapter-house, refectory), and was often equipped with carrels, seats, and a lavatorium in which to perform ablutions before entering the refectory. In basilican and Early Christian churches the cloister was at the west end, often with a fountain for washing in the garth, and was called an atrium, with one side either doubling as or leading to the narthex...
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/cloister.aspx#3
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as Nikki points out, "ambulatory" has two meanings. These are the walk within the cloister or around the (interior) walls of the church itself (making the circuit of the apse and in behind the altar), whereas "gallery" and "walkway" are very polysemous words so are not as exact in meaning in my opinion
Peer comment(s):
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Nikki Graham
: Yes, this is the term I prefer
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thanks Nikki:-)
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Charles Davis
: Absolutely correct, though less often used than it used to be; tends to be preferred nowadays by more old-fashioned architectural historians. But this may well be what Simon's after.
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thanks Charles. i have heard the term used by guides quite recently (e.g. St John lateran in Rome) so think it may not be that old-fashioned:-)
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walk
This is what a side or gallery of a cloister is sometimes called, at least:
"The Cloister (claustrum) was on the south side of the nave. It is now destroyed, excepting the east walk, of which three bays have been restored and six bays await restoration. [...]
The north walk was probably not built until the nave and aisles were completed early in the thirteenth century. [...]"
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=51776
"South transept, east walk of the cloister and chapter house"
http://salisbury.art.virginia.edu/cathedral.space?top=d1&sub...
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"The original lavatorium or monks washing place in the north walk of the cloister was built in the late 14th century"
http://www.bgas.org.uk/gcar/gcar-99-g.pdf
"The Cloister (claustrum) was on the south side of the nave. It is now destroyed, excepting the east walk, of which three bays have been restored and six bays await restoration. [...]
The north walk was probably not built until the nave and aisles were completed early in the thirteenth century. [...]"
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=51776
"South transept, east walk of the cloister and chapter house"
http://salisbury.art.virginia.edu/cathedral.space?top=d1&sub...
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"The original lavatorium or monks washing place in the north walk of the cloister was built in the late 14th century"
http://www.bgas.org.uk/gcar/gcar-99-g.pdf
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pane
According to the Oxford dictionary of architecture, the walls of a cloister are called panes, the open area in the middle is called a garth
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Same dictionary further states that pane refers to "pierced walls of a cloister facing the garth"
I hope this is sufficient proof this time so I don't get panned again
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If it's not the wall, then it would be the ambulatory (walk) as Charles said
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According to the DRAE, panda =
8. f. Cada una de las galerías o corredores de un claustro.
So it isn't the wall at all
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Note added at 26 mins (2011-11-27 23:39:17 GMT)
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Same dictionary further states that pane refers to "pierced walls of a cloister facing the garth"
I hope this is sufficient proof this time so I don't get panned again
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Note added at 33 mins (2011-11-27 23:46:08 GMT)
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If it's not the wall, then it would be the ambulatory (walk) as Charles said
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Note added at 42 mins (2011-11-27 23:55:14 GMT)
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According to the DRAE, panda =
8. f. Cada una de las galerías o corredores de un claustro.
So it isn't the wall at all
Peer comment(s):
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Charles Davis
: You know more about this than I do, Nikki, but I think "pane" (a) is archaic, and (b) refers to the side wall of the gallery rather than the gallery itself (which is what "panda" means).
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No, I probably don't :-) I'm not sure where I got the idea of wall from at all. Not very awake obviously
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Taña Dalglish
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gallery
I think the "pandas" are the galleries themselves.
http://es0.net/myalbum-photo.lid-2403.htm
Cloister of Poblet: gallery or Romanesque origin and graves
http://es0.net/myalbum-photo.lid-2403.htm
Cloister of Poblet: gallery or Romanesque origin and graves
Peer comment(s):
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Emiliano Pantoja
: But ALL the galleries the cluster
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Thank you Emiliano. Un abrazo.
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Reference comments
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Taña Dalglish
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Reference:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monasteries_in_Spain
The cloister
The quintessential medieval Spanish cloister is the Benedictine whose pattern is spread throughout Christian Europe. Its construction consists of four galleries called ****pandas**, one of them stuck to the south or north nave nave of the church. The panda that is dedicated always to the chapter house and another small unit. The west** panda houses **usually the area cilla and laymen, and the panda border to the church has the refectory and kitchen calefactory in some monasteries call profundis room makes way for the refectory where the monks chant Psalm "De profundis ad te Dominum clamavi ..." Psalm 130 (129)
http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/panda
Panda [pahn’-dah]
noun
1. Gallery in a cloister. (f)
The cloister
The quintessential medieval Spanish cloister is the Benedictine whose pattern is spread throughout Christian Europe. Its construction consists of four galleries called ****pandas**, one of them stuck to the south or north nave nave of the church. The panda that is dedicated always to the chapter house and another small unit. The west** panda houses **usually the area cilla and laymen, and the panda border to the church has the refectory and kitchen calefactory in some monasteries call profundis room makes way for the refectory where the monks chant Psalm "De profundis ad te Dominum clamavi ..." Psalm 130 (129)
http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/panda
Panda [pahn’-dah]
noun
1. Gallery in a cloister. (f)
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Benjamin A Flores
: ¿porqué no sugieres la respuesta?
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Thank you Benjamin. Saludos.
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Evans (X)
: I think gallery is the best word here. In English ambulatory has a very specific meaning in a church which does not exactly match the meaning of 'panda'
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Thank you Gilla.
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Nikki Graham
: ambulatory has two specific meanings in churches, and one of them is the "gallery" in the cloister. Gallery is correct as a general term, IMHO, but ambulatory is more specific
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Discussion
Panda (arquitectura)
sustantivo femenino.
Plural: pandas
1.En Arquitectura: Galería de un claustro de monasterio, donde se distribuyen las distintas dependencias (sala capitular, refectorio, etc.) Así se le llamaba en la Edad Media a cada lado de estas galerías
http://enciclopedia.us.es/index.php/Panda_(arquitectura)
Plural: pandos
Feminine: panda
Plural and Feminine: pandas
1.bent, sway-backed; Synonyms: doblado, torcido, arqueado, corvo, alabeado, cacho, cucho, gandalla, tranza
2.warped, saggy; Synonyms: aflojado, combado, abarquillado, alabeado, barqueado
3.shallow; Synonyms: de bajo fondo, poco hondo, poco profundo, somero