Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
la persona con la que se hubiese entendido la diligencia
English translation:
the person who acknowledged the proceeding
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Charles Davis
Aug 17, 2018 16:33
6 yrs ago
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Spanish term
la persona con la que se hubiese entendido la diligencia
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Law: Patents, Trademarks, Copyright
The verb "entender" seems to be used in a very unusual or specific way here: "entender una diligencia".
The phrase is in the context of Mexican patent legislation, and has to do with site inspections by government authorities. Here is additional context:
De toda visita de inspección se levantará acta circunstanciada en presencia de dos testigos propuestos por la persona con la que se hubiese entendido la diligencia o por el inspector que la practicó, si aquélla se hubiese negado a proponerlos.
Si la persona con quien se entendió la diligencia o los testigos no firman el acta, o se niega a aceptar copia de la misma, o no se proporcionan testigos para firmar la misma, dichas circunstancias se asentarán en la propia acta sin que esto afecte su validez y valor probatorio.
I also find Google results for the concept of "entender la diligencia", but it clearly has some meaning other than "understand" that I cannot ascertain.
The phrase is in the context of Mexican patent legislation, and has to do with site inspections by government authorities. Here is additional context:
De toda visita de inspección se levantará acta circunstanciada en presencia de dos testigos propuestos por la persona con la que se hubiese entendido la diligencia o por el inspector que la practicó, si aquélla se hubiese negado a proponerlos.
Si la persona con quien se entendió la diligencia o los testigos no firman el acta, o se niega a aceptar copia de la misma, o no se proporcionan testigos para firmar la misma, dichas circunstancias se asentarán en la propia acta sin que esto afecte su validez y valor probatorio.
I also find Google results for the concept of "entender la diligencia", but it clearly has some meaning other than "understand" that I cannot ascertain.
Proposed translations
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3 +1 | the person who acknowledged the proceeding | Charles Davis |
3 | the person who attended the inspection | Stuart and Aida Nelson |
1 | the person with whom the (?) was arranged | neilmac |
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Aug 20, 2018 04:00: Charles Davis Created KOG entry
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the person who acknowledged the proceeding
"Entender la diligencia" commonly applies to service of notice. When notice is served, someone has to take delivery of it: not necessarily the person on whom notice is being served, but someone to sign or at least acknowledge service. "Entenderse la diligencia" can apply in that situation. Here's an example:
"El 23 de octubre de 2003, el Notario de Pozuelo de Alarcón, don Antonio Pérez Sanz autorizó acta de notificación de la escritura antes referida, en la que hace constar que en el día de la fecha, siendo las diecinueve horas y cuarenta minutos, se ha constituido en la calle P., n.º-, donde pese a sus repetidas llamadas no contestó persona algunas, ni se abrió la puerta y no encontrándose el conserje, vecino ni persona alguna con quien entender la diligencia."
https://www.boe.es/diario_boe/txt.php?id=BOE-A-2005-8336
This example is from Spain, not Mexico, but it's the same there. Here's an earlier question we had, in which the late Henry Hinds, who was very good at expressing Mexican legal matters clearly and accurately, explained that in "exhibiendo el original al X, con quien se entiende la diligencia, quien firma de recibido", "con quien se entiende la diligencia" meant "who is receiving notice or service".
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-pharma...
In your case, however, I don't think we can use that translation, because it's not exactly a matter of service of notice. The "diligencia" here is an inspection. I think the word "diligencia" has the meaning "trámite de un asunto administrativo, y constancia escrita de haberlo efectuado" (DLE, definition 3).
http://dle.rae.es/?id=DmapFfE
So I think "entenderse la diligencia" means, in effect, agreeing that the proceeding was duly conducted. So I suggest "acknowledge the proceeding". In practice what must have happened was that an detailed official record (acta circunstanciada) of the inspection had to be made, and the "persona con la que se entendió la diligencia" was the person at the site who certified that the inspection took place.
"El 23 de octubre de 2003, el Notario de Pozuelo de Alarcón, don Antonio Pérez Sanz autorizó acta de notificación de la escritura antes referida, en la que hace constar que en el día de la fecha, siendo las diecinueve horas y cuarenta minutos, se ha constituido en la calle P., n.º-, donde pese a sus repetidas llamadas no contestó persona algunas, ni se abrió la puerta y no encontrándose el conserje, vecino ni persona alguna con quien entender la diligencia."
https://www.boe.es/diario_boe/txt.php?id=BOE-A-2005-8336
This example is from Spain, not Mexico, but it's the same there. Here's an earlier question we had, in which the late Henry Hinds, who was very good at expressing Mexican legal matters clearly and accurately, explained that in "exhibiendo el original al X, con quien se entiende la diligencia, quien firma de recibido", "con quien se entiende la diligencia" meant "who is receiving notice or service".
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-pharma...
In your case, however, I don't think we can use that translation, because it's not exactly a matter of service of notice. The "diligencia" here is an inspection. I think the word "diligencia" has the meaning "trámite de un asunto administrativo, y constancia escrita de haberlo efectuado" (DLE, definition 3).
http://dle.rae.es/?id=DmapFfE
So I think "entenderse la diligencia" means, in effect, agreeing that the proceeding was duly conducted. So I suggest "acknowledge the proceeding". In practice what must have happened was that an detailed official record (acta circunstanciada) of the inspection had to be made, and the "persona con la que se entendió la diligencia" was the person at the site who certified that the inspection took place.
Peer comment(s):
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neilmac
: I was thinking it might mean "officiated" or "oversaw" the thing...
13 hrs
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Well, in practice it probably includes that idea, since whoever it is certifies the proceeding on behalf of the company. Thanks, Neil ;-)
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Comment: "Many thanks for your "diligence"!"
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the person with whom the (?) was arranged
I'm not sure how you want to translate "diligencia" in this case, but "entender" looks like it means "concertar", i.e. arranged in the context.
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Unless, ,of course, it means "due diligence".
"The due diligence was arranged by the broker"
https://www.newsagencyblog.com.au/2012/01/11/take-care-when-...
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Unless, ,of course, it means "due diligence".
"The due diligence was arranged by the broker"
https://www.newsagencyblog.com.au/2012/01/11/take-care-when-...
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the person who attended the inspection
participated in, was present at the inspection
DEFINICIÓN DE DILIGENCIA
"Another use of the notion of diligence [..] can be associated with a task".
Otro uso de la noción de diligencia [...] puede asociarse a una labor"
https://definicion.de/diligencia/
The task here: the inspection
"De esta acta se dejará copia con la persona con quien se hubiere entendido la diligencia...
A copy of the report will be left with the prson that participated in the visit. "
https://www.linguee.es/espanol-ingles/traduccion/quien se en...
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A copy of the report will be left with the person that participated in the visit. "
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Note added at 4 hrs (2018-08-17 20:46:22 GMT)
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The concept probably comes from 'hacer diligencias' = 'run errads' or 'tengo que hacer una diligencia' 'I have to do [... a specific task]
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Note added at 4 hrs (2018-08-17 20:48:03 GMT)
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upps... errands
DEFINICIÓN DE DILIGENCIA
"Another use of the notion of diligence [..] can be associated with a task".
Otro uso de la noción de diligencia [...] puede asociarse a una labor"
https://definicion.de/diligencia/
The task here: the inspection
"De esta acta se dejará copia con la persona con quien se hubiere entendido la diligencia...
A copy of the report will be left with the prson that participated in the visit. "
https://www.linguee.es/espanol-ingles/traduccion/quien se en...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2018-08-17 20:18:31 GMT)
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A copy of the report will be left with the person that participated in the visit. "
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Note added at 4 hrs (2018-08-17 20:46:22 GMT)
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The concept probably comes from 'hacer diligencias' = 'run errads' or 'tengo que hacer una diligencia' 'I have to do [... a specific task]
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Note added at 4 hrs (2018-08-17 20:48:03 GMT)
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upps... errands
Discussion
"Diligencia de notificación [...]
En virtud de no encontrarse presente el demandado, procedí a entender la
diligencia con una persona que se negó a dar su nombre y dijo que el domicilio del demandado era este lo que confirmé con el dicho de los vecinos encontrados"
http://sjf.scjn.gob.mx/sjfsist/Documentos/Tesis/219/219528.p...
The person who wouldn't give his/her name took delivery of and acknowledged receipt of the "diligencia", which here, as is often the case, was service of notice (a summons, apparently).
Found the first sentence ' De toda visita de inspección [...] and other examples such as ' Hora, día, mes y año en que se practique la diligencia', ' Nombre y firma de quienes intervinieron en la diligencia' in
https://mexico.justia.com/federales/leyes/ley-de-la-propieda...