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German term
Berufsabsolvent
German to English
Other
Education / Pedagogy
Vocational education
I have come across this term, and though of course I know the literal translation, I was wondering whether in Germany this refers specifically to someone who has completed a vocational trade with a Mittlere Reife? Or is one a Berufsabsolvent after completing the Fachhochschulreife?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +3 | occuptional training graduate |
David Hollywood
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| 4 | apprenticed worker |
Michael Martin, MA
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David Hollywood
Native in English
worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
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occuptional training graduate
maybe
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könnte passen
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mal sehen
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and "occupational" of course
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wenn du eine Übersetzung des Begriffes brauchts ok
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könnte passen
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mal sehen
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and "occupational" of course
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wenn du eine Übersetzung des Begriffes brauchts ok
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Manuela Junghans
: Yes, someone who has completed their apprenticeship
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ty Manuela vielen Dank
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Simon Vigneault
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ty Simon
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Cillie Swart
: Yeah, makes sense
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thanks Cillie
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Michael Martin, MA
United States
United States
Native in German
&
English
Works in field
United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) 
, English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
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178
apprenticed worker
Compare with this:
"The overall expectations indicate a fairly clear distribution along the qualification parameter; larger shares of QSEs work in firms where employment of QSEs is expected to rise. A similar result arises for college level educated personnel (Fachschuleabsolventen), while the employment of apprenticed workers (Berufsabsolventen) and the the residual category is closer to zero. For the former there is a weak expectation of growth, while for the latter there is an expectation of decrease." https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.20...
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@Tony:
Not really my problem if few native speakers have attempted to translate this. I select sources because I like a solution from a linguistic standpoint, not because I am interested in the contributor's pedigree; and this solution sounds less stilted to me than 'occupational training graduate'. Besides, this is all abstract; asker still hasn't provided any context.
"The overall expectations indicate a fairly clear distribution along the qualification parameter; larger shares of QSEs work in firms where employment of QSEs is expected to rise. A similar result arises for college level educated personnel (Fachschuleabsolventen), while the employment of apprenticed workers (Berufsabsolventen) and the the residual category is closer to zero. For the former there is a weak expectation of growth, while for the latter there is an expectation of decrease." https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.20...
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@Tony:
Not really my problem if few native speakers have attempted to translate this. I select sources because I like a solution from a linguistic standpoint, not because I am interested in the contributor's pedigree; and this solution sounds less stilted to me than 'occupational training graduate'. Besides, this is all abstract; asker still hasn't provided any context.
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TonyTK
: As indicated by most of the hits, an "apprenticed worker" would most likely be an apprentice. Your source is a Norwegian writing in English about the German vocational training system.// If it's all abstract, why the high confidence level?
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Rama Bhave
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
IT and Automotive industry
Native in: Marathi 
, English (Variants: US, British)
Works in: German to English
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Reference:
Difference between Mittlere Reife, Fachoberschulreife and Fachhochschulreife
I think the 'Fachoberschulreife' and not 'Fachhochschulreife' is equivalent to the 'Mittlere Reife'
Die Fachoberschulreife wird nicht an einer Fachoberschule erreicht, sondern an Schulformen der Sekundarstufe I. Der Abschluss kann in der Regel an denselben Schulformen erworben werden wie die Mittlere Reife. Die Bezeichnung Fachoberschulreife ist mit der mittleren Reife gleichbedeutend und meint das Erlangen des mittleren Abschlusses der Sekundarstufe 1.
By that definition, children are still in secondary school when they appear for the 'Mittlere Reife' or 'Fachoberschule' exam. Hence 'Berufabsolvent' would be after completing 'Fachhochschule', I suppose.
A Pedagogy expert can throw more light on this.
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In Brandenburg und Nordrhein-Westfalen wird der Realschulabschluss auch als Fachoberschulreife bezeichnet. In Mecklenburg Vorpommern nennt man den Realschulabschluss „Mittlere Reife“. In Rheinland-Pfalz heißt er „Qualifizierter Sekundarabschluss I“ und im Saarland „Mittlerer Bildungsabschluss“.
Die Fachoberschulreife wird nicht an einer Fachoberschule erreicht, sondern an Schulformen der Sekundarstufe I. Der Abschluss kann in der Regel an denselben Schulformen erworben werden wie die Mittlere Reife. Die Bezeichnung Fachoberschulreife ist mit der mittleren Reife gleichbedeutend und meint das Erlangen des mittleren Abschlusses der Sekundarstufe 1.
By that definition, children are still in secondary school when they appear for the 'Mittlere Reife' or 'Fachoberschule' exam. Hence 'Berufabsolvent' would be after completing 'Fachhochschule', I suppose.
A Pedagogy expert can throw more light on this.
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In Brandenburg und Nordrhein-Westfalen wird der Realschulabschluss auch als Fachoberschulreife bezeichnet. In Mecklenburg Vorpommern nennt man den Realschulabschluss „Mittlere Reife“. In Rheinland-Pfalz heißt er „Qualifizierter Sekundarabschluss I“ und im Saarland „Mittlerer Bildungsabschluss“.
Note from asker:
| Thank you, Rama! |
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