Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
Her Majesty's Justice in and for the said City and Liberties thereof
French translation:
Juge pour la cité de Londres et pour ses Libertés
Added to glossary by
Yvonne Gallagher
Oct 5, 2011 11:51
13 yrs ago
English term
France
Legal and corporate translations
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French
Her Majesty's Justice in and for the said City and Liberties thereof
English to French
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Formule longue décrivant un juge d'un tribunal londonien.
Je recherche la structure usuelle bloquant sur le lien avec "and liberties thereof".
Merci pour vos suggestions.
Je recherche la structure usuelle bloquant sur le lien avec "and liberties thereof".
Merci pour vos suggestions.
Proposed translations
(French)
| 4 +2 | Un Juge pour la cité de Londres et pour ses Libertés |
Yvonne Gallagher
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| 3 -1 | Juge de Sa Majesté pour la cité de Londres et la défense de ses libertés |
Alain Mouchel
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Change log
Oct 17, 2011 08:48: Yvonne Gallagher Created KOG entry
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Yvonne Gallagher
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Ireland
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Native in: English (Variants: UK, US, Canadian, Irish) 
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English, and 1 more.
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Un Juge pour la cité de Londres et pour ses Libertés
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the Liberties were the parts of the city that sprang up outside the walls so this is the inner or original city and all additional parts
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Liberties_of_London -
Pages in category "Liberties of London". The following 15 pages are in this category, out of 15 total. This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more). ...
The London Liberties
instruct.uwo.ca/english/234e/site/bckgrnds/maps/lndnmplbrts.html
25 Apr 2002 – Restoration & 18th-Century Studies in English at Western. UC Western Tower. London ca. 1676. The London Liberties ...
History of the Mayoralty - City of London
www.cityoflondon.gov.uk › ... › Mansion House
15 Jun 2011 – The first recorded Mayor of London was Henry Fitz-Ailwyn 1189. ... the City would retain all its ancient liberties: "That the City of London shall ...
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try this link again with excerpt from it
instruct.uwo.ca/english/234e/site/bckgrnds/maps/lndnmplbrts.html -
Although the city walls provided a more "concrete" symbol of the bounds of the City, the reach of the Guildhall — and the Lord Mayor and Aldermen of London — extended beyond the walls, to the limits of the city "Liberties" that represented the political and legal limits of the power of city goverment. The bounds of the "Liberties" were, roughly, the Tower of London to the east, and the Temple Bar, on Fleet Street, to the west. Beyond these Liberties was Westminster, and the suburbs that would, in fact, soon be swallowed up by the prodigious growth of the city during the next century.
the Liberties were the parts of the city that sprang up outside the walls so this is the inner or original city and all additional parts
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Liberties_of_London -
Pages in category "Liberties of London". The following 15 pages are in this category, out of 15 total. This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more). ...
The London Liberties
instruct.uwo.ca/english/234e/site/bckgrnds/maps/lndnmplbrts.html
25 Apr 2002 – Restoration & 18th-Century Studies in English at Western. UC Western Tower. London ca. 1676. The London Liberties ...
History of the Mayoralty - City of London
www.cityoflondon.gov.uk › ... › Mansion House
15 Jun 2011 – The first recorded Mayor of London was Henry Fitz-Ailwyn 1189. ... the City would retain all its ancient liberties: "That the City of London shall ...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-10-05 14:09:44 GMT)
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try this link again with excerpt from it
instruct.uwo.ca/english/234e/site/bckgrnds/maps/lndnmplbrts.html -
Although the city walls provided a more "concrete" symbol of the bounds of the City, the reach of the Guildhall — and the Lord Mayor and Aldermen of London — extended beyond the walls, to the limits of the city "Liberties" that represented the political and legal limits of the power of city goverment. The bounds of the "Liberties" were, roughly, the Tower of London to the east, and the Temple Bar, on Fleet Street, to the west. Beyond these Liberties was Westminster, and the suburbs that would, in fact, soon be swallowed up by the prodigious growth of the city during the next century.
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AllegroTrans
: yes, this nails it in my opinion
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AT thank you!
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Tony M
: Like Paris intra- and extra-muros! (though not 'un', I don't think)
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thanks Tony, yes, wasn't sure about the "un" myself. We have Liberties in Dublin as well, same concept, were outside the walls and free of city tax
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Alain Mouchel
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Juge de Sa Majesté pour la cité de Londres et la défense de ses libertés
Juge de Sa Majesté pour la cité de Londres et la défense de ses libertés
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AllegroTrans
: non, rien à voir avec défense des libertés; les libertés sont certains environs rattachés a la cité propre
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Discussion
As Gallagy rightly says, the Liberties were the parts of the city that sprang up outside the walls, so the term is purely geographical
ou "gardien des libertés en cette cité et y rendant la justice"