Spanish term
Denominacion o razon social
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Proposed translations
Registered company name or trading name
Razon social = a trading name (could for ex. be of a sole trader or non-registered entity)
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https://mx.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200808191818...
Que es la denominacion o razon social?
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klauumoon
Mejor respuesta: RAZON SOCIAL: Sociedades en las que importan las personas, a las sociedades con razon social, se les llama sociedades de personas.
Se utiliza cuando en el nombre de una sociedad, se escriben dos o mas nombres de los socios, despues "y cia" o y compañia, seguido de las iniciales del tipo de sociedad. EJEMPLO: sociedad en comandita simple
El nombre seria: Luis Jimenes, Alfonso Rocha y compañia. S en .C
DENOMINACION SOCIAL: Se utiliza cuando en la sociedad se le da importancia al capital que se aporta, por eso a las sociedades que tienen denominacion social, se le llama socieda de capital.
Las sociedades que llevan denominacion, no llevan el nombre de los socios, se le asigna el nombre que decida los socios, EJEMPLO: "La galleta, S.A"
klauumoon · hace 7 años
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neilmac
: @Jaime: I think we CAN SAFELY ASSUME that the query refers to "denominación social/comercial".
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Phoenix III
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Jaime Blank
: en el contexto y pregunta tenemos solo "denominación" que no es lo mismo que "denominación social" o "denominación comercial" (Diccionario Jurídico Inglés-español, Español-inglés Aspen By Steven M. Kaplan)
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name or company name
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a razón social es la denominación por la cual se conoce colectivamente a una empresa. Se trata de un nombre oficial y legal que aparece en la documentación que permitió constituir a la persona jurídica en cuestión.
Lee todo en: Definición de razón social - Qué es, Significado y Concepto http://definicion.de/razon-social/#ixzz3UClYEoVG
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company of course in its broader sense
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RAE
denominación.
(Del lat. denominatĭo, -ōnis).
1. f. Nombre, título o sobrenombre con que se distinguen las personas y las cosas.
denominación and nombre are both name
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Ray Ables
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philgoddard
: So would "nombre, denominación o razón social" be "name, name or company name?"
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name or company name will do
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omnia_vanitas
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Name
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In other words, "name" can refer to an individual or corporation.
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AllegroTrans
: "Denominacion" actually refers to a company name (as appearing in the company register) and I don't think this notion shoould be omitted
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Jennifer Levey
: See discussion box.
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company or partnership name
In contrast, a “denominación social” is a “denominación objetiva” that may reflect a business entity’s economic activities or merely be a fantasy name. These names may be chosen freely by those entities that by law are not required to identify the entities’ members’ names in their business name (in Spain, principally “sociedades de responsabilidad limitada” and “sociedades anónimas”, among others).
Although I have given examples from Spain, here is an explanation from the perspective of Mexican business law:
http://todoconta.com/diferencia-entre-razon-social-y-denomin...
But, again, having said all of this, “razón social” and “denominación social” are used interchangeably so often, even by lawyers, that this distinction is often lost. I once heard (an older) Spanish professor of “Derecho mercantil” explain the differences I have outlined above, but he added that most (young) “licenciados” in Derecho don’t distinguish the two.
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AllegroTrans
: OK with company name, but a partnership is not the only kind of entity likely to have a "razón social"
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Any entity can include members' names in their busines name, but partnerships must do so by law. That's the reason "razón social" is generally translated as "partnership name".
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Jaime Blank
: en el contexto y pregunta tenemos solo "denominación" que no es lo mismo que "denominación social" o "denominación comercial" (Diccionario Jurídico Inglés-español, Español-inglés Aspen By Steven M. Kaplan)
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Designation or company name
So, one option could be "name, designation or trade name of the buyer"... or similar. See glossaries etc.
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AllegroTrans
: never seen "designation" used for a name - usually it refers to some kind of category
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For example, it could be an NGO. I just wanted to show that boilerplate is not the only option...
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Jaime Blank
: it's a possibility ... I would use "trade name" or "business name" instead of "company name"
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general, trade or partnership name/corporate style
Social: could be a body corporate or partnership that, in the UK and US and unless an LLP, is not a body corporate.
Appellation or trade/business name
(legal) name, appellation or trade name ...
Appellation: noun
1. A name, title, or designation.
2. A protected name under which a wine may be sold, indicating that the grapes used are of a specific kind from a specific district.
3. The act of naming.
Appellation: noun
alias, appellative, assumed name, call, calling, characterization, cognomen, definition, description, designation, eponym, identification, label, moniker, name, namesake, nickname, nomenclature, nomination, patronym, pen name, pseudonym, sobriquet, style, surname, term, title
Burton's Legal Thesaurus, 4E. Copyright © 2007 by William C. Burton
trade name / business name:
Names or designations used by companies to identify themselves and distinguish their businesses from others in the same field.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
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example:
The Korea Trademark Law article 51.1 allows free use of the trademarks inadequate to permit exclusive use to a specific person and necessary to guarantee public use. The clause 1 of this article provides the usual way to use their own name, appellation or business name etc. and the clause 2 provides the usual way to use the generic names or descriptive signs of the goods.
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y otra posibilidad es:
denomination or business name
ejemplos en:
1. http://enforcement.trade.gov/tomato/2013-agreement/Mex-Tomat...
2. http://archive-mx.com/page/717176/2012-11-21/http://www.nota...
3. http://unpcdc.org/media/8050/paraguy 1.pdf
4. http://www.wipo.int/edocs/lexdocs/laws/en/pe/pe042en.pdf
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...about the use of the word appellation, you can "google" the sentence "Mark Twain is the famous appellation by which everyone remembers author and humorist Samuel Clemens. for example or "The unique weather and climate of Antarctica provide the basis for its familiar appellations—Home of the Blizzard and White Desert." or "The custom of the Easter lamb appropriates both the appellation used for Jesus in Scripture (“behold the lamb of God which takes away the sins of the world,” John 1:29) and the lamb’s role as a sacrificial animal in ancient Israel." between many others from the "Encyclopedia Britannica"
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neilmac
: I'd avoid "appellation" due to the wine connection. And I've already posted "designation", which IMO works better than "denomination"...
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maybe you're right about "appellation", for those who are used to talk a lot about wines :), about "denomination" and "designation", I found they are used something like 50/50 on this context, I put it as another possibility for the asker to choose from.
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AllegroTrans
: "Appellation" is not used in English for a name
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You are right, "Appellation" is not used in English for a name, it is used to specify a "secondary name"/nickname/alias/title used instead of a name, as defined in Merriam-webster, Collins & other Dictionaries & used in Encyclopedia Britannica for example
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Reference comments
1. f. Com. Nombre y firma por los cuales es conocida una compañía mercantil de forma colectiva, comanditaria o anónima.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=razón
Denominación:
1. f. Nombre, título o sobrenombre con que se distinguen las personas y las cosas.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=denominación
Discussion
eg: a property might belong to:
- Mr. John Doe (persona física)
- John Doe & Sons Ltd (persona moral)
- "Ferretería de los Andes" (nombre de fantasía de "John Doe & Sons Ltd")
If, as Phil suggests, you reduce all those options to 'Name', you are throwing away essential clues as to what information is in fact being provided.
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