| Pages in topic: < [1 2 3 4] > | Trados 2009 - how exactly is it compatible with translating in Word and with ttx files? Thread poster: Tomas Mosler, DipTrans IoLET MCIL MITI
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| You can save as ttx | Jun 7, 2009 |
Hi Tobi,
Tobi wrote:
Even if it is possible that TTX files can be opened, they cannot be saved. This is concealed by SDL when they talk about TTX compatibility. I have some customers who deliver and expect TTX files. I had to export the TM from Studio, import it into Workbench and translate the files with Tag Editor again to get TTX files. Nice workaround 
Tobi
It is possible to save TTX files. To do so, once you have translated your file, select File > Save Target As. A dialog will be displayed where you can choose whether you want to save the file as ttx or in it's original source format. If you choose the ttx option, you will get a bilingual ttx file that you can send to your client.
This is not very well documented in the Studio help and it took my about 2 hours to find out how to do this but, after all, it seems to work.
Hope this helps
Claudia
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From SDL site (as quote in one of disappearing posts):
"Is SDL Trados Studio 2009 compatible with previous versions?
Yes of course! Just like SDL Trados 2006 and SDL Trados 2007, the same company has developed SDL Trados Studio 2009!"
I would like to know (this is a question for SDL to explain how to do it, not for forum members to say it can't be done):
If I receive a bilingual Word file - i. e. something that can be viewed and edited in Word even wi... See more From SDL site (as quote in one of disappearing posts):
"Is SDL Trados Studio 2009 compatible with previous versions?
Yes of course! Just like SDL Trados 2006 and SDL Trados 2007, the same company has developed SDL Trados Studio 2009!"
I would like to know (this is a question for SDL to explain how to do it, not for forum members to say it can't be done):
If I receive a bilingual Word file - i. e. something that can be viewed and edited in Word even witthout any SDL application - or a request to provide that as output, how can I create / process / proofread such a Word file in Studio 2009 and return bilingual Word file again?
(From what the colleagues say, I have the impression that this process is not possible, therefore the backward compatilibity is not as extenstive as declared above.)
Thank you for instructions. ▲ Collapse
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Natalia, I got your post via e-mail saying that "there are no removed or hidden posts in this topic; please check your notifications for replicates", but that is not true, I have only one copy of each post in my mailbox (11 posts now excluding those of mine).
And, actually, I don't see your post here right now...
The IDs of individual posts (except for mine which I don't get by ... See more Natalia, I got your post via e-mail saying that "there are no removed or hidden posts in this topic; please check your notifications for replicates", but that is not true, I have only one copy of each post in my mailbox (11 posts now excluding those of mine).
And, actually, I don't see your post here right now...
The IDs of individual posts (except for mine which I don't get by e-mail) are:
http://www.proz.com/post/1140356#1140356
http://www.proz.com/post/1140359#1140359
http://www.proz.com/post/1140370#1140370
http://www.proz.com/post/1140371#1140371
http://www.proz.com/post/1140388#1140388
http://www.proz.com/post/1140383#1140383
http://www.proz.com/post/1140403#1140403
http://www.proz.com/post/1140446#1140446
http://www.proz.com/post/1140442#1140442
http://www.proz.com/post/1140448#1140448
http://www.proz.com/post/1140451#1140451
However some of them are not leading to any content...! ▲ Collapse
| | | | Tobi
Local time: 17:51
English to German
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| TTX is still not possible | Jun 7, 2009 |
Even if it is possible that TTX files can be opened, they cannot be saved. This is concealed by SDL when they talk about TTX compatibility. I have some customers who deliver and expect TTX files. I had to export the TM from Studio, import it into Workbench and translate the files with Tag Editor again to get TTX files. Nice workaround
By the way, what's up with this thread? I opened it first, posted a comment and then ... See more Even if it is possible that TTX files can be opened, they cannot be saved. This is concealed by SDL when they talk about TTX compatibility. I have some customers who deliver and expect TTX files. I had to export the TM from Studio, import it into Workbench and translate the files with Tag Editor again to get TTX files. Nice workaround
By the way, what's up with this thread? I opened it first, posted a comment and then the thread content changed. No, the thread is as before and my previous comment is not there. That's what Tomas mentioned before concerning the post from Markus.
Best regards,
Tobi ▲ Collapse
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Laurent KRAULAND (X) 
France
Local time: 17:51
French to German
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Tomas Mosler wrote:
They write "open TTX", but I see no indication of the possibility to SAVE in ttx. What can someone with Trados 2007 do with xliff file?
Well, "upgrade" from T2007 to another CAT which has been running with XLIFF from the beginning.
Bitter irony, as I said...
Laurent K.
| | | | | I just tried opening a bilingual Word file in Tageditor and its doesn't work | Jun 7, 2009 |
so I guess the only way to process a bilingual Word doc is in Trados 2007...
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Claudia wrote:
"It is possible to save TTX files. To do so, once you have translated your file, select File > Save Target As. A dialog will be displayed where you can choose whether you want to save the file as ttx or in it's original source format. If you choose the ttx option, you will get a bilingual ttx file that you can send to your client."
I.e. I think, Laurent et al., that this original claim of mine is solved (I hope).
However my two questions regarding W... See more Claudia wrote:
"It is possible to save TTX files. To do so, once you have translated your file, select File > Save Target As. A dialog will be displayed where you can choose whether you want to save the file as ttx or in it's original source format. If you choose the ttx option, you will get a bilingual ttx file that you can send to your client."
I.e. I think, Laurent et al., that this original claim of mine is solved (I hope).
However my two questions regarding Word bilingual files (those viewable in Word, not only in any Trados app, i. e. something you would process directly in Word with Workbench) - how to open them in Trados 2009 and how to save them in Trados 2009 - are still valid. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Tobi
Local time: 17:51
English to German
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| Thanks for your hint! | Jun 7, 2009 |
Claudia Digel wrote:
Hi Tobi,
Tobi wrote:
Even if it is possible that TTX files can be opened, they cannot be saved. This is concealed by SDL when they talk about TTX compatibility. I have some customers who deliver and expect TTX files. I had to export the TM from Studio, import it into Workbench and translate the files with Tag Editor again to get TTX files. Nice workaround
Tobi
It is possible to save TTX files. To do so, once you have translated your file, select File > Save Target As. A dialog will be displayed where you can choose whether you want to save the file as ttx or in it's original source format. If you choose the ttx option, you will get a bilingual ttx file that you can send to your client.
This is not very well documented in the Studio help and it took my about 2 hours to find out how to do this but, after all, it seems to work.
Hope this helps
Claudia
Thanks a lot, Claudia!
I looked for this in the "Save as ..." function not in "Save target as ..."
Tobi
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Jaroslaw Michalak
Poland
Local time: 17:51
Member (2004)
English to Polish
SITE LOCALIZER | Not really... | Jun 7, 2009 |
Tomas Mosler wrote:
Claudia wrote:
"It is possible to save TTX files. To do so, once you have translated your file, select File > Save Target As. A dialog will be displayed where you can choose whether you want to save the file as ttx or in it's original source format. If you choose the ttx option, you will get a bilingual ttx file that you can send to your client."
I.e. I think, Laurent et al., that this original claim of mine is solved (I hope).
However my two questions regarding Word bilingual files (those viewable in Word, not only in any Trados app, i. e. something you would process directly in Word with Workbench) - how to open them in Trados 2009 and how to save them in Trados 2009 - are still valid.
To be more clear - you can open ttx in 2009, translate it and save it. What you cannot do is to open e.g. doc and save it as ttx. If your client sends you just a source doc file and wants ttx back, you cannot do that in 2009 - you have to ask them for a conversion to ttx first.
As for the bilingual Word files, those are not supported in 2009 at all - cannot open, cannot save.
| | | | | tell me you are kidding | Jun 7, 2009 |
Jabberwock wrote:
To be more clear - you can open ttx in 2009, translate it and save it. What you cannot do is to open e.g. doc and save it as ttx. If your client sends you just a source doc file and wants ttx back, you cannot do that in 2009 - you have to ask them for a conversion to ttx first.
Sorry? Really you mean I cannot process a doc file and create ttx out of it in 2009, just like it is possible with 2007? (shocked) If this is really true, then the pretentiously declared (by SDL) backward compatibility ("it is from the same producer") is getting serious hits...
| | | | | for one year you can't do it | Jun 7, 2009 |
So we have dual access to 2007 and 2009 for one year. After that they will integrate the function within 2009. At least that is what I understood. Gillian
| | | | | and what happened to logic? | Jun 7, 2009 |
Hello Gillian, I'm not sure whether you refer to "disabled" doc/ttx conversion or editing of bilingual Word files, however when someone (SDL) says (screams):
"Is SDL Trados Studio 2009 compatible with previous versions? Yes of course! Just like SDL Trados 2006 and SDL Trados 2007, the same company has developed SDL Trados Studio 2009..."
...then I found it somewhat unfair as the reality is different. If the product reall... See more Hello Gillian, I'm not sure whether you refer to "disabled" doc/ttx conversion or editing of bilingual Word files, however when someone (SDL) says (screams):
"Is SDL Trados Studio 2009 compatible with previous versions? Yes of course! Just like SDL Trados 2006 and SDL Trados 2007, the same company has developed SDL Trados Studio 2009..."
...then I found it somewhat unfair as the reality is different. If the product really is not able to get through two of three scenarios with .doc files involved that I can think of now and that were fine with 2007, then something is wrong about this "upgrade".
Not talking about the fact that if there is any missing function, which now means time consuming workaround with 2007 involved (for the scenarios that can be solved this way at least), it should have been integrated in the current release, or the release should have been postponed until it was "all-in-one". Otherwise it looks a bit unprofessional to me. (Just like if I would deliver a translation and there was every tenth word in original language and I said well you can look it up in a dictionary, or wait one month...) ▲ Collapse
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Valerie35 (X)
Local time: 17:51
German to English
| Forced upgrade? | Jun 7, 2009 |
Gillian Searl wrote:
So we have dual access to 2007 and 2009 for one year. After that they will integrate the function within 2009. At least that is what I understood. Gillian
Trados 2007 Suite is going to expire in a year. Trados 2009 Studio can't function without it.
If Trados charges for the next version (the version independent of Trados 2007 Suite), the you will either be forced to also pay for THAT upgrade or only be able to use 2009 Studio until 2007 Suite expires.
| | | | | Logic and Trados? | Jun 8, 2009 |
There never was any.
So here I am defending Trados! The point is that the whole Word interface thing is out of date, clumsy and they haven't been developing it for years. You can be sure that it's gone for good! So I guess everybody needs to move on to Tageditor and eventually the new format. Life moves on and we have to move with it...
Gillian
| | | | Laurent KRAULAND (X)
France
Local time: 17:51
French to German
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Gillian Searl wrote:
There never was any.
So here I am defending Trados! The point is that the whole Word interface thing is out of date, clumsy and they haven't been developing it for years.
It may be out of date and clumsy, which I would gladly agree were it not for the fact that MS Word files generated by an OCR system also generate a opening and closing tag for each and every diacritic! Good luck if we are to process such over-tagged files in TagEditor... It happened to me at least twice and I was more than happy to change horses and to be able to translate such files with the MS Word macro.
Clients with bad habits (such as providing us with -preferably huge:(- non-editable files) won't change their way of behaving that fast and send us e.g. INX files...
Laurent K.
[Edited at 2009-06-08 06:53 GMT]
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