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Dec 8, 2009 21:15
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Spanish term

régimen civico-militar

Spanish to English Social Sciences Government / Politics
It refers to the regime that governed Uruguay during the seventies and beginning of the eighties. I'm trying to find a natural-sounding term for it in English.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 joint civilian-military regime
4 +6 civil-military regime
4 civic-military dictatorship
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Discussion

jacana54 (X) Dec 9, 2009:
I mentioned James, and the post is yours David, sorry -both of you- ... This window has been too large for days now, I need to move it sideways and haven't had time for a support ticket.
Good to see your latest comment, now... yes, we agree that she has to keep the words that are actually there, with all their implications. :-)
jacana54 (X) Dec 9, 2009:
What I'm saying is that she can't leave out the reference because I think the author put it there for a reason... She does need, as you yourself end up saying, to translate the words that are actually there.
David Ronder Dec 9, 2009:
Yes, Lucia there was a civilian element, but what does your expression 'went along' say about who really called the shots? This is to discuss the politics, however, and I think we all agree that Chriswa has to translate 'civico'.
jacana54 (X) Dec 9, 2009:
I'm sorry, James... It was basically a military dictatorship BUT there was a great deal that was civilian about it: the president (up until the last one), the ministers of the Executive Power (there is a lot you can read about them, one of them is in fact in prison currently for his participation in the "disappearance" of people"), etc. Many people went along, and many did a lot more... they participated/were leading actors in the government of those dark years. Until we actually saw the results the Yes/No poll in 1980, none of us knew exactly how many of the other inhabitants agreed with this government, and that was 1980.... (sorry, edited for typos).
Christine Walsh (asker) Dec 9, 2009:
Thanks, David and James. That's just it: I need to translate the words, implications and all. Anyhow, there are many references to civilians who 'went along', and as you can imagine, I've already used the other alternatives (eg. military dictatorship) many times throughout the text. Thanks again for your help in this series of questions.
David Ronder Dec 9, 2009:
James has a point It was basically a military dictatorship and most English-language references I've seen simply refer to it as the 'military regime'. There wasn't much that was civil or civic or indeed civilian about it, and to call it a 'régimen civico-militar' is in a sense to make a political point. But I suppose those are the words and you need to translate them, along with their implicit politics.
James A. Walsh Dec 8, 2009:
That's quite alright Chris :) By me anyway! Hats off for good KudoZ though ;.)
I've been pondering my answer, and was going to suggest just 'military dictatorship' actually, which is certainly more common in English, I reckon; and lets face it, who's not going to get it?
Christine Walsh (asker) Dec 8, 2009:
My apologies I clicked before saying please and thank you. TIA

Proposed translations

+2
1 hr
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joint civilian-military regime

Since the two terms are somewhat antithetical, I think adding "joint" is needed in order to bind them together. Also, the companion word for 'military' is 'civilIAN' - 'civil' is typically used in the context of 'civil society'.

179,000 refs for ["joint civilian-military"] - examples:

(4) the military participates openly in a joint civilian-military regime; and (5) the military dominates civilian policy through a formal military regime. ...
www.springerlink.com/index/Q6777533P08N372U.pdf

Nov 3, 2009 ... the government to address several points raised in his paper about joint civilian-military coordination, budgeting and accountability. ...
washingtonindependent.com/.../proposal-circulates-on-new-civilian-military-agency

Joint civilian-military cooperation for national disasters. MDClifford C Cloonan. Department of Emergency Medicine Madigan Army Medical Center Ft Lewis, ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S019606448880708X

... level political support to form a joint civilian-military junta in the wake of a coup. With these advantages, it seemed quite likely ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0807856509...

Arraigned before a joint civilian - military tribunal, a number of those charged were sentenced to prison terms and former Premier Menderes was executed ...
www.allaboutturkey.com › History

This established a joint civilian military framework, which would intertwine ABRI with all levels and sectors of Indonesian society. ...
www.megaessays.com/viewpaper/94606.html -
Note from asker:
Thanks, Muriel. 'Joint' is a nice finishing touch.
Peer comment(s):
agree Marcelo González : You're welcome, Muriel. After all, how common is it to hear of a transition to a "civil government"? I'd say not at all; in contrast, to speak of "a transition to a civilian government" is quite common. >"civilian" as opposed to "military"
3 hrs
Thanks, Marcelo!
agree jacana54 (X) : I am not a native speaker, but "civilian" does sound better to me... also many of the references I saw in Google appear to written by native English speakers.
12 hrs
Thanks, Lucia!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, Muriel. Gives me several alternatives, can even use 'joint regime' here and there to avoid repetition."
+6
6 mins

civil-military regime

[PDF] IN SEARCH OF A NEW PARADIGM IN CIVIL-MILITARY RELATIONS IN LATIN ...
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9 Jul 1977 ... (and Brazil and Uruguay can also be included here), ... civil” and “the military” are fused into a civil-military regime in which the ...
bibliotecavirtual.clacso.org.ar/ar/libros/lasa98/Galleguillos.pdf
by N Galleguillos - 1998 - Cited by 1 - Related articles[PDF] UNHOLY ALLIANCE: DRUGS, CORRUPTION, AND THE PERUVIAN MILITARY ...
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military governments in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Uruguay used ..... since the autogolpe and represents the military side of a civil-military regime. ...
www.idepe.org/pdf/arti_cameron_alianza_ingles.pdfCIP Americas Program | Fujmori's Trial: An Opportunity for Peru
17 Oct 2007 ... Fujimori ran a civil-military regime, and it doesn't make sense ... Uruguay, a teacher and researcher focused on social movements at the ...
americas.irc-online.org/am/4646 - CachedTrial against Argentina's last dictator, Reynaldo Bignone, starts ...
2 Nov 2009 ... in the throes of the civil-military regime, after losing the Falklands War ... $10 Uruguayan = $1,92 arg; $100 Chilean = $0,76 arg ...
momento24.com/.../trial-against-reynaldo-bignone-the-last-dictator-of-argentina/ - Cached
Note from asker:
Many thanks, Edward.
Peer comment(s):
agree Remy Arce
3 mins
thank you Remy! ;-)
agree claudia16 (X)
1 hr
thank you Claudia! ;-)
agree Rafael Molina Pulgar
1 hr
thank you Rafael! ;-)
agree Leonardo Lamarche : agree.
1 hr
many thanks! ;-)
agree Cecilia Welsh
4 hrs
thank you! ;-)
agree imcven
4 hrs
thank you Ivan! ;-)
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10 mins

civic-military dictatorship

Another option with reasonable google hits.
Note from asker:
Thanks, James.
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