Apr 29, 2016 06:46
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Polish term
Kasztelan Konarsko-Sieradzki
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Kontekst: Chlubą gminy są liczne obiekty sakralne, w tym klasztor, wzniesiony z fundacji Szymona Zaremby - Kasztelana Konarsko-Sieradzkiego, którego zmumifikowane zwłoki znajdują się w podziemiach klasztoru.
Wikipedia podaje: "...I na sam koniec senatorskich urzędów ziemskich, trzech tzw. kasztelanów konarskich (koniuszych): konarski sieradzki, łęczycki i inowłocławski..." https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasztelan
Wikipedia podaje: "...I na sam koniec senatorskich urzędów ziemskich, trzech tzw. kasztelanów konarskich (koniuszych): konarski sieradzki, łęczycki i inowłocławski..." https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasztelan
Proposed translations
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| 4 | Equerry Castellan of Sieradz |
Andrzej Mierzejewski
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| 4 | Castellan of Konary-Sieradz (Konarsko-Sieradzki) |
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References
| Konarsko-Sieradzki |
Andrzej Mierzejewski
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| koniuszy |
geopiet
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Proposed translations
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Andrzej Mierzejewski
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Native in: Polish
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Equerry Castellan of Sieradz
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Comment: "Dziękuję."
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Erzsébet Czopyk
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Castellan of Konary-Sieradz (Konarsko-Sieradzki)
Castellan of Konary-Sieradz (Konarsko-Sieradzki), whose mummified corpse found in the basement of the monastery. - I do not see the problem.
krotki zyciorys Zawiszy Czarnego w j angielskim... - Zadane.pl
zadane.pl › Szkoła podstawowa › Język angielski
Zawisza parents were Dorothy and Nicholas of Garbowo, Castellan konarskosieradzki. They were still apart Zawisza two younger sons, John ...
Piotr Wysz - Expand Your Mind - Revolvy
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... into a local noble family (of the Sulima), his father Mikołaj being the castellan of Konary-Sieradz (konarsko-sieradzki), while his mother was named Dorota.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castellans_of_the_Polish–Lithu...
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Sieradz Voivodeship (1339–1793) - Wikipedia, the free ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Sieradz_Voivodeship_(1339–...
Sieradz Voivodeship was a unit of administrative division and local government in the Kingdom ... Sieradz Voivodeship had five senators: the Voivode of Sieradz, the Castellan of Sieradz, and the Castellans of Rozprza, Spycimierz and Konary. Main starostas resided in Sieradz and Piotrkow Trybunalski, there also were ...
Bieniasz Home Page
spuscizna.org/bieniasz/bieniasz-intro.html
Medieval Polish historian Jan Dlugosz recorded a Bieniasz father and son, a magistrate somewhere in Sieradz Province and a castellan at Konary in Sieradz Province (and about 12 miles northwest of Czestochowa) respectively, in 1304 A.D. Both Sieradz and Konary lie north of Czestochowa and just outside the traditional boundaries of historic Malopolska. (Ziemia Sieradzka, the Sieradz region, was officially incorporated into the Kingdom of Poland in 1339 A.D.).
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http://spuscizna.org/bieniasz/bieniasz-intro.html
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Szymon_Zaremba
Fundatorem istniejącego zespołu był kasztelan konarski- sieradzki Szymon Zaremba, dzięki któremu w dziedzicznych dobrach powstał klasztor i kościół Reformatów pod wezwaniem Najświętszego Serca Jezusa i świętych Apostołów Szymona i Judy Tadeusza.
http://www.gimzareby.neostrada.pl/klasztor_historia.htm
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szymon_Zaremba
krotki zyciorys Zawiszy Czarnego w j angielskim... - Zadane.pl
zadane.pl › Szkoła podstawowa › Język angielski
Zawisza parents were Dorothy and Nicholas of Garbowo, Castellan konarskosieradzki. They were still apart Zawisza two younger sons, John ...
Piotr Wysz - Expand Your Mind - Revolvy
broom04.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s...item...
... into a local noble family (of the Sulima), his father Mikołaj being the castellan of Konary-Sieradz (konarsko-sieradzki), while his mother was named Dorota.
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http://broom04.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Piotr Wysz&item_...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castellans_of_the_Polish–Lithu...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offices_in_the_Polish–Lithuani...
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Sieradz Voivodeship (1339–1793) - Wikipedia, the free ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Sieradz_Voivodeship_(1339–...
Sieradz Voivodeship was a unit of administrative division and local government in the Kingdom ... Sieradz Voivodeship had five senators: the Voivode of Sieradz, the Castellan of Sieradz, and the Castellans of Rozprza, Spycimierz and Konary. Main starostas resided in Sieradz and Piotrkow Trybunalski, there also were ...
Bieniasz Home Page
spuscizna.org/bieniasz/bieniasz-intro.html
Medieval Polish historian Jan Dlugosz recorded a Bieniasz father and son, a magistrate somewhere in Sieradz Province and a castellan at Konary in Sieradz Province (and about 12 miles northwest of Czestochowa) respectively, in 1304 A.D. Both Sieradz and Konary lie north of Czestochowa and just outside the traditional boundaries of historic Malopolska. (Ziemia Sieradzka, the Sieradz region, was officially incorporated into the Kingdom of Poland in 1339 A.D.).
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http://spuscizna.org/bieniasz/bieniasz-intro.html
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Szymon_Zaremba
Fundatorem istniejącego zespołu był kasztelan konarski- sieradzki Szymon Zaremba, dzięki któremu w dziedzicznych dobrach powstał klasztor i kościół Reformatów pod wezwaniem Najświętszego Serca Jezusa i świętych Apostołów Szymona i Judy Tadeusza.
http://www.gimzareby.neostrada.pl/klasztor_historia.htm
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szymon_Zaremba
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Andrzej Mierzejewski
: The word "konarsko" was derived from "koń" = horse, AFAIK nothing to do with a town/village of Konary.
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Dziękuję bardzo - please take a look at the other links
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Reference comments
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Andrzej Mierzejewski
Poland
Poland
Native in Polish
Poland
M.Sc. Engineer (Mechanics)
Native in: Polish
Works in: Polish to English, English to Polish, German to Polish, and 3 more.
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Reference:
Konarsko-Sieradzki
I'm not 100% sure as to the etymology but please read:
Kasztelanowie Konarscy (Koniuszy) — Equerry Castellans (there were 3).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castellans_of_the_Polish–Lithuanian_Commonwealth
equerry
1 : an officer of a prince or noble charged with the care of horses
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Equerry
Somehow, old Polish language processed the word "koń" = horse, and produced the adjective "konarski" that was used as a nobleman honorary title associated with three towns. In Poland, "the care of horses" as above referred to king's horses.
"Kasztelan" is a direct equivalent for
Castellan
: a governor or warden of a castle or fort
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/castellan
IMO "Sieradz Equerry Castellan" may be an acceptable translation of the meaning of "Kasztelan Konarsko-Sieradzki".
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Besides, "koniuszy" (another word derived from "koń") used to mean approx. "chief manager of king's/prince's stables" in old Poland, while the present meaning is just "manager of stable staff" (comparable to a sergeant, perhaps).
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Or maybe: Equerry Castellan of Sieradz?
Kasztelanowie Konarscy (Koniuszy) — Equerry Castellans (there were 3).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castellans_of_the_Polish–Lithuanian_Commonwealth
equerry
1 : an officer of a prince or noble charged with the care of horses
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Equerry
Somehow, old Polish language processed the word "koń" = horse, and produced the adjective "konarski" that was used as a nobleman honorary title associated with three towns. In Poland, "the care of horses" as above referred to king's horses.
"Kasztelan" is a direct equivalent for
Castellan
: a governor or warden of a castle or fort
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/castellan
IMO "Sieradz Equerry Castellan" may be an acceptable translation of the meaning of "Kasztelan Konarsko-Sieradzki".
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Besides, "koniuszy" (another word derived from "koń") used to mean approx. "chief manager of king's/prince's stables" in old Poland, while the present meaning is just "manager of stable staff" (comparable to a sergeant, perhaps).
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Or maybe: Equerry Castellan of Sieradz?
Note from asker:
| Tak, zdecydowanie przychylam się do tej odpowiedzi. Dziękuję. |
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Reference:
koniuszy
Koniuszy (łac. praefectus stabuli), w średniowiecznej Polsce i innych krajach (np. Węgry) urzędnik królewski zajmujący się "stajnią" monarchy. - https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koniuszy
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Comes Stabulorum—Count in charge of the equerries and stables - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comes#Medieval_usages
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Constable
Historically, the title comes from the Latin comes stabuli (attendant to the stables, literally count of the stables) and originated from the Roman Empire; originally, the constable was the officer responsible for keeping the horses of a lord or monarch - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constable
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Marshall
"Marshal" is an ancient loanword from Old (Norman) French (cf. modern French maréchal), which in turn is borrowed from Old Frankish *marhskalk (="stable boy, keeper, servant"),
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It originally and literally meant "horse servant", from Germanic *marha- "horse" ..[cut] .. and skalk- "servant" (cf. Old Engl. scealc "servant, soldier" and outdated German Schalk, meaning "high-ranking servant"). - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal
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This officer had the militarily vital responsibility for the stables and horses of the household (the "marshalsea"), and was also in charge of discipline - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_household
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miałem zamiar dłużej gmerać w necie, gdy w przerwie przeczytałem wpis Andrzeja, i mnie osadziło .. :)
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Comes Stabulorum—Count in charge of the equerries and stables - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comes#Medieval_usages
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Constable
Historically, the title comes from the Latin comes stabuli (attendant to the stables, literally count of the stables) and originated from the Roman Empire; originally, the constable was the officer responsible for keeping the horses of a lord or monarch - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constable
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Marshall
"Marshal" is an ancient loanword from Old (Norman) French (cf. modern French maréchal), which in turn is borrowed from Old Frankish *marhskalk (="stable boy, keeper, servant"),
[cut]
It originally and literally meant "horse servant", from Germanic *marha- "horse" ..[cut] .. and skalk- "servant" (cf. Old Engl. scealc "servant, soldier" and outdated German Schalk, meaning "high-ranking servant"). - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal
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This officer had the militarily vital responsibility for the stables and horses of the household (the "marshalsea"), and was also in charge of discipline - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_household
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miałem zamiar dłużej gmerać w necie, gdy w przerwie przeczytałem wpis Andrzeja, i mnie osadziło .. :)
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Andrzej Mierzejewski
: Aż do łaciny to ja nie śmiem dotrzeć. :-)
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Discussion
"Sieradz Voivodeship had five senators: the Voivode of Sieradz, the Castellan of Sieradz, and the Castellans of Rozprza, Spycimierz and Konary"
The Polish version says:
Woj. sieradzkie miało 2 senatorów większych (wojewodę i kasztelana sieradzkiego) i 3 mniejszych, tj. kasztelanów: rozpierskiego, spicymierskiego i konarskiego.
Rozprza and Spycimierz each were a castellany - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Castellany -, however there was never Konary castellany, the word „konarski” is a throwback to much earlier times
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Urodzony Szymon Zaremba Kasztelan Konarski Sieradzki - https://goo.gl/jSgd4Y
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i jeszcze jedno (wybacz, że się czepiam), nie „Konarsko-Sieradzki”, tylko „konarski sieradzki” ....
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Poczet Imienny Senatorów i Ministrów Królestwa Polskiego - „Skarbiec historii polskiej” Jana Karola Sienkiewicza, Tom 2
(1737). Mączyński.
(l739). Morsztyn.
(1749). Morski Stefan.
1753,4. † Morsztyn Stefan.
1755 — 65. † Ankwicz Walenty.
1767. † Zaręba Szymon.
l771. † Wężyk Józef.
(1772.) Zbijewski Maciej.
https://goo.gl/qmH8eg - page 239
http://scans.library.utoronto.ca/pdf/7/35/skarbiechistorii02...
[ Z. Kaczmarczyk, Kasztelanowie Konarscy. Studium z historii urzędów koronnych i nadwornych, Poznań 1949]
http://www.genealogia.okiem.pl/glossary/glossary.php?word=ka...
I na sam koniec senatorskich urzędów ziemskich, trzech tzw. kasztelanów konarskich (koniuszych): konarski sieradzki, łęczycki i inowłocławski.
Co do kasztelanów konarskich, to jest przykład niekompetencji ówczesnych urzędników. Dawnymi czasy (do XIV wieku) „konarski” był nazwą urzędu koniuszego. Później tej nazwy zapomniano, zachowała się tylko w tych trzech ziemiach (Kujawy, łęczyckie, sieradzkie). Ale nawet tam nikt nie pamiętał, że chodzi o koniuszych.
Jakimś trafem uznano, że „konarski” to kasztelan z miejscowości o nazwie Konary. Gdy powstawał senat i włączano doń wszystkich senatorów mniejszych, trzej konarscy zostali zaliczeni w poczet kasztelanów.
Jak pisze Z. Góralski: „W ten sposób drogą omyłki nigdy nie sprostowanej, w Senacie Rzeczypospolitej obok najwyższych urzędników państwa i magnatów zasiadło trzech koniuszych z tytułu praktycznie nie istniejącego urzędu”.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasztelan
:-)
I'd like to see the Senate member list in its original shape.
As for the proof, I count on your skills.
:-)
See the list of Polish Senate members by precedence (as of 1659): 1 arcybiskup gnieźnieński; 2 arcybiskup lwowski; [...] 134 k. Konar sieradzkich; 135 k. Konar łęczyckich; 136 k. Konar kujawskich (here: k. = kasztelan)
http://www.nonpossumus.pl/biblioteka/feliks_koneczny/adm/III...
(excerpt from: Feliks Koneczny "Dzieje administracji w Polsce w zarysie" published 1924).
k. Konar sieradzkich = Castellan of Konary near Sieradz, etc.
Therefore, are the horse-related origins of the word "konarski" of any truth? I don't know.
Biurobob has a choice. :-)