Sep 28, 2013 19:39
11 yrs ago
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French term
United Kingdom
soit entendue
French to English
Bus/Financial
International Org/Dev/Coop
Discussion of US-Europe free trade negotiations
"Comment faire en sorte que la vision des entreprises soit entendue et prise en compte par le négociateur européen ?"
Very confidential document, hence the lack of context (sorry - nervous to give any more than a sentence at a time). Here, metaphors are getting somewhat mixed - how does one HEAR the VISION of the businesses? I've tried 'listen to' and 'gets a hearing' but it's not sounding quite right somehow. Any suggestions?
Very confidential document, hence the lack of context (sorry - nervous to give any more than a sentence at a time). Here, metaphors are getting somewhat mixed - how does one HEAR the VISION of the businesses? I've tried 'listen to' and 'gets a hearing' but it's not sounding quite right somehow. Any suggestions?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +6 | is understood |
Clompy
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| 3 +3 | are heard |
Tony M
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| 4 +1 | can be understood |
Davide Santori
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| 4 +1 | Understands (+ restructure) |
Lara Barnett
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Proposed translations
+6
12 mins
Selected
is understood
I think "entendre" is more figurative here, like "entente" in English.
I'd translate the subjunctive using indicative as it's more natural.
"How to see to it that the companies' vision is understood and taken into account by the European negotiator"
I'd translate the subjunctive using indicative as it's more natural.
"How to see to it that the companies' vision is understood and taken into account by the European negotiator"
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: yes, is (or be). not a matter 'can be'.
1 hr
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| agree |
nweatherdon
4 hrs
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| agree |
Rachel Fell
4 hrs
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| agree |
GILLES MEUNIER
9 hrs
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| agree |
Yvonne Gallagher
2 days 20 hrs
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| agree |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
2 days 21 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
+1
11 mins
Davide Santori
Italy
Italy
Italy
Professionalism, committment, tenacity
Native in: Italian (Variant: Standard-Italy) 
Works in: English to Italian, French to Italian, Spanish to Italian, and 1 more.
can be understood
'entendre' like 'understand'. I hope it will fit well.
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Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
25 mins
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thank u
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B D Finch
: No, because the FR isn't "peut-être", but the subjunctive, which would have been used in English too a couple of centuries ago (be understood, without "can"). However, now we just use the simple present. Cannot ensure that hearing > understanding.
1 day 14 hrs
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+1
1 hr
Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
www.lingocraft.co.uk
Native in: English (Variants: Irish, Singaporean, UK, South African, British, Scottish) 
Works in: French to English, Italian to English, Romanian to English, and 2 more.
Understands (+ restructure)
"How do we/I?? ensure that the European negotiator (fully) understands and appreciates/acknowledges the viewpoint/vision of the companies?"
I think the form of the verb you use here is the issue because you cannot easily keep the same structure for the English version. I provide an example of how this could be done above. ( As I do not know all the details fully, I may have misjudged some of the other terms, but have translated the whole sentence in order to show how this form of the verb would work here).
I think the form of the verb you use here is the issue because you cannot easily keep the same structure for the English version. I provide an example of how this could be done above. ( As I do not know all the details fully, I may have misjudged some of the other terms, but have translated the whole sentence in order to show how this form of the verb would work here).
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Victoria Britten
48 mins
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Thank you.
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writeaway
: not sure if ensure isn't going a bit too far with faire en sorte que l
2 hrs
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+3
2 hrs
are heard
Of course, I'm assuming the use of the plural 'views'!
Not knowing the actual situation, I can only assume that this is not a single view expresssed in a united manner by these 'entreprises', but rather, the views of each individually — typically using singular in FR (each entreprise has one view) but plural in EN.
I really think 'hear' or 'listen to' is appropriate here, and goes well with the 'taken into account' that follows it.
We don't know, of course, if the 'des' refers to 'businesses in general', or 'the businesses' = some specific group of them. This factor will possibly have an impact on the best way to handle the rest...
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Note added at 13 hrs (2013-09-29 09:08:18 GMT)
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It so depends on the external factors I've mentioned, but what about something like:
"What can be done to make sure the voice of business is heard and heeded by...?"
Not knowing the actual situation, I can only assume that this is not a single view expresssed in a united manner by these 'entreprises', but rather, the views of each individually — typically using singular in FR (each entreprise has one view) but plural in EN.
I really think 'hear' or 'listen to' is appropriate here, and goes well with the 'taken into account' that follows it.
We don't know, of course, if the 'des' refers to 'businesses in general', or 'the businesses' = some specific group of them. This factor will possibly have an impact on the best way to handle the rest...
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Note added at 13 hrs (2013-09-29 09:08:18 GMT)
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It so depends on the external factors I've mentioned, but what about something like:
"What can be done to make sure the voice of business is heard and heeded by...?"
Peer comment(s):
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Jocelyne Cuenin
10 hrs
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Merci, Petitavoine !
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Daryo
: yes, how to make negotiators (politicians) listen to the businesses from their own side, make them aware of their views.
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Merci, Daryo! Yes, that's exactly the way I read it — with the caveat of 'subject to wider context', naturally ;-)
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B D Finch
: I like "heard and heeded". One can only ensure that the views are heard, but not that they are understood. (What level of understanding would qualify?)
1 day 11 hrs
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Thanks, B! Yes, I rather feel that 'understanding' may be a bit too much to hope for ;-)
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Discussion
Negotiators are politicians with their own agenda, not necessarily directly related to what businesses want or expect. This sentence is simply about making sure that negotiators from EU are aware of the views of the EU business, that they have listened to what businesses have to say about the matter, and hopefully are not going to ignore it.
To me, the greater problem here is the 'comment faire en sorte que' + subj. — a construction that will need careful handling in EN to avoid sounding clunky.